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JPM 54TH ANNUAL TMC CONFERENCE ยท MAY 20, 2026 ยท 15:00 GMT
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JPM TMC ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์—์„œ LYV CFO Joe Berchtold๊ฐ€ ํ’€์–ด๋‚ธ 35๋ถ„.
"์ˆ˜์š”๋Š” ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๋‹ค"๋ผ๋Š” ํ‘œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€ ์•„๋ž˜, CFO๊ฐ€ ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋˜์ง„ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ 12๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ์ถ”์ ํ•œ๋‹ค.

Speaker ยท CFO
Joe Berchtold
President & CFO, Live Nation
Analyst
David Karnovsky
JPMorgan Chase Research
SCROLL ยท ํ•ต์‹ฌ ์ง€ํ‘œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
ยทยท 01 / The Numbers He Dropped

CFO๊ฐ€ ํ˜๋ฆฐ ์ˆซ์ž๋“ค

YTD Tickets Sold
119M
โ–ฒ +12M (3์ฃผ ๋งŒ์—) vs Q1 ์ฝœ ์‹œ์  107M
์ตœ๊ทผ 3์ฃผ๊ฐ„ 11.5MํŒ๋งค. ์ž‘๋…„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ํŒ”๋ฆผ. "weakness ๋ณด๋„์™€ ์ •๋ฐ˜๋Œ€"
Get-in Price (USA Avg)
$34~$35
vs 2019: +18% (์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋Š” +30%)
CPI๋ฅผ 12%p ์–ธ๋”ํผํผ. ์˜๋„์  affordability โ€” ์ •์น˜/์‚ฌํšŒ risk ํ—ค์ง€.
Price Mix (US)
30 / 30
<$50 = 30%, $50-100 = 30%, $250 ์ดˆ๊ณผ = 10%, $500 ์ดˆ๊ณผ = 2% (โ† ์–ธ๋ก ์€ ์ด 2%๋งŒ ๋ณด๋„)
Cancellation Rate
1~2%
in-line with history
๋งคํฌ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ ค์—๋„ historical norm ์œ ์ง€.
Underpenetrated Top-75 Cities
47/75
global ex-US
์ƒ์œ„ 75๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ ์ค‘ 47๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ modern arena ๋ถ€์žฌ ๋˜๋Š” underpenetrated. venue TAM์˜ ์ง„์งœ ํฌ๊ธฐ.
Venue Pipeline
20+
๊ฑด์„ค ์ค‘ ๋˜๋Š” fully-permitted. ๊ทธ์ค‘ 10๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ large arena/amphitheater๊ธ‰.
Amphitheater Per-Cap
$16 โ†’ $46
3๋ฐฐ (Jordan ํŒ€, 10๋…„)
O&O Amp ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ risk๋ฅผ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ง„์งœ ์ด์œ . Venue ์šด์˜ ๋งˆ์ง„์ด promoter ๋งˆ์ง„์„ ๋Œ€์ฒด.
Ticketmaster Deferred Rev Growth
High-20s%
$5B+ GTV ๋Œ€ํ‘œ
Q1 TM AOI๋Š” +1%์ง€๋งŒ (์ผํšŒ์„ฑ ํ—ค๋“œ์œˆ๋“œ), underlying์€ high-20s ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋ ˆ๋ธŒ. ๋ณด๊ณ ์„œ ํ•จ์ •.
Estadio GNP Attendance
3M/yr
์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์Œ์•… venue
๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ”์‹œํ‹ฐ ์˜› Foro Sol ๋ฆฌ๋…ธ๋ฒ ์ด์…˜. ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„+์Šคํฐ์„œ์‹ญ์œผ๋กœ 2๋…„ ๋‚ด ROI ํšŒ์ˆ˜.
2026 Sponsorship Sold
85~90%
5์›” ์‹œ์ 
"์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•œ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค" (CFO). ๊ฐ€์‹œ์„ฑ max.
Mexico Hyperlocal Reach
10cities
30 stadium dates / yr
OCESA์˜ Mexico City ์ผ๋ณ€๋„ โ†’ ๊ณผ๋‹ฌ๋ผํ•˜๋ผ ๋“ฑ 10๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ stadium-grade ๊ณต์—ฐ.
Japan Ticketing Timeline
3yr โ†’ 1yr
์‹ ์ž„ TM President๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์†
"์—ฐ๋ง๊นŒ์ง€ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ ํŒ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋ชป๋ฐ•์Œ. ์•„์‹œ์•„ TM expansion ๊ฐ€์†์˜ ์‹œ์ž‘.
ยทยท 02 / What You Might Have Missed

๋†“์ณค์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ๋ ˆ์นด 6๊ฐ€์ง€

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Pricing Strategy

Get-in price๊ฐ€ ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋ณด๋‹ค 12%p ๋‚ฎ์€ ๊ฑด "์ „๋žต"

"Get-in price is $34, $35 on average... up 18% from 2019, while inflation is up 30%."
์–ธ๋ก ์ด "$500 ํ‹ฐ์ผ“"์œผ๋กœ LYV๋ฅผ ๋‘๋“ค๊ธธ ๋•Œ, CFO๋Š” ํ‰๊ท  ์ž…์žฅ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋ณด๋‹ค ์‹ธ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋กœ ๊น๋‹ค. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœ ์ž๊ธฐ๋ฐฉ์–ด๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์žฅ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ antitrust/์ •์น˜ risk๋ฅผ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ํ—ค์ง€ ์ •์ฑ…. "$500์€ 2%๋‹ค"๋ผ๋Š” framing์€ ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ๊ด€๋ จ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ‘œ์ค€ ๋‹ต์•ˆ.
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Ticketmaster Mispricing

TM Q1 AOI +1%๋Š” ํ•จ์ •. ์ง„์งœ๋Š” ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋ ˆ๋ธŒ high-20s

"You left out our high-20s growth in deferred revenue representing over $5 billion of GTV."
์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ TM AOI ๋‘”ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ง€์ ํ•˜์ž CFO๊ฐ€ ๋จผ์ € ๋ผ์–ด๋“ค์–ด ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋ ˆ๋ธŒ high-20s๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋ƒ„. ์ด๊ฑด ์˜๋„์ . ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ(secondary tightening, severance, FTC legal)์ด ๊ฐ ์ง€๋ฉด 2H/27๋…„ TM ๊ฐ€์† ๊ฐ€์‹œํ™”. Sell-side๋Š” ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ AOI๋งŒ ๋ณด๊ณ  ๋””์Šค์นด์šดํŠธ ์ค‘. โ†’ "TM AOI ๋””์Šค์นด์šดํŠธ"๋Š” ์ •์ • catalyst๊ฐ€ ์ž„๋ฐ•ํ•œ mispricing.
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DOJ Settlement Spin

DOJ ํ•ฉ์˜๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์œ„ํ˜‘์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ catalyst

"$16 per cap is very different than $46 per cap... opening venues will benefit our amphitheater operations on an incremental basis."
DOJ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ•์ œํ•œ "non-exclusive contracts + ์ œ3์ž promoter 50% ์ธ๋ฒคํ† ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ"์€ ์™ธํ˜•์ƒ LYV์— ๋ถ€์ •์ . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ CFO๊ฐ€ ํ˜๋ฆฐ ์ง„์งœ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€: per-cap์ด 10๋…„ ๋งŒ์— 3๋ฐฐ๊ฐ€ ๋๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, promoter ๋งˆ์ง„์„ ์žƒ์–ด๋„ venue ์šด์˜ ๋งˆ์ง„์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ถฉ. ์ฆ‰ ์‚ฌ์—… ๋ชจ๋ธ์ด ์ด๋ฏธ "promoter" โ†’ "venue operator + ticketing"์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ™” ์™„๋ฃŒ. DOJ๊ฐ€ ์žก์œผ๋ ค๋˜ ๋ชจ๋ธ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์—†๋‹ค.
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Venue TAM Reset

์ƒ์œ„ 75๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ ์ค‘ 47๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ "white space"

"47 out of those 75 are either lacking an arena of any kind of modern form or underpenetrated."
ํˆฌ์ž์ž ๋ฐ์ด์—์„œ "international ์„ฑ์žฅ"์œผ๋กœ ๋ญ‰๋šฑ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋˜ TAM์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์  ์ˆ˜์น˜๋กœ deconstruct. Top-75 โ†’ 47 underpenetrated. Top-200๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐˆ ์˜ํ–ฅ ๋ช…์‹œ. ํ•œ ๋„์‹œ๋‹น ํ‰๊ท  capex/EBITDA ๊ฐ€์ •๋งŒ ๊น”๋ฉด 10๋…„์น˜ venue ํŒŒ์ดํ”„๋ผ์ธ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ง ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ. ๋‹จ, gating factor๋Š” capital์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ธํ•˜์šฐ์Šค design/dev team capacity (์ง€์—ญ๋ณ„ ํŒ€ ๋นŒ๋“œ์—…์ด ramp ๊ฒฐ์ •).
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Japan Acceleration

์ผ๋ณธ ticketing ํƒ€์ž„๋ผ์ธ์ด 3๋…„ โ†’ 1๋…„์œผ๋กœ ๋‹จ์ถ•

"He said, no, we have 1 year. We're selling tickets by the end of the year."
์‹ ์ž„ TM President (2025๋…„ ๋ง ๋ถ€์ž„, product/tech ๋ฐฑ๊ทธ๋ผ์šด๋“œ)๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ณธ ์ง„์ž… ํƒ€์ž„๋ผ์ธ์„ 1/3๋กœ ์••์ถ•. CFO๊ฐ€ ์ฝ˜ํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์—์„œ ์™ธ๋ถ€ commitment๋กœ ๋ชป๋ฐ•์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ํฌ๋‹ค โ€” ๋ฏธ์Šค ์‹œ reputational damage. ์ผ๋ณธ์€ LYV๊ฐ€ HIP ์ธ์ˆ˜ + Kaori ์˜์ž…์œผ๋กœ promoter ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ตฌ์ถ•. 2027~28๋…„ ์ผ๋ณธ TM ๋งค์ถœ ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ ์ธ์‹ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ. Sell-side ๋ชจ๋ธ์—๋Š” ์•„์ง ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ฐ˜์˜.
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Festival Model Pivot

ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ์€ ๋” ์ด์ƒ "ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค"๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค

"The economics of a festival are getting driven by two things. One is sponsorship. And two is your premium opportunities."
ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ fee ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋กœ ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ์ด cancel๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ narrative์™€ ์ •๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹. LYV๋Š” ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ์˜ P&L ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ artist fee ์˜์กด โ†’ ์Šคํฐ์„œ์‹ญ + premium ์˜์กด์œผ๋กœ ์žฌํŽธ ์™„๋ฃŒ. ์ฆ‰ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ ํ˜‘์ƒ๋ ฅ ์ƒ์Šน = LYV ๋งˆ์ง„ ์••๋ฐ•์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ bear thesis๊ฐ€ deprecated. โ†’ ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ง„์€ artist mix์™€ ๋””์ปคํ”Œ๋ง๋˜๋Š” ์ค‘.
ยทยท 03 / Full Transcript

์ „๋ฌธ Q&A

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โšกEUREKA5~10๋…„๊ฐ„ ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋Œ์–ด์˜จ ๋งคํฌ๋กœ ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ โ€” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ํšจํ•œ๊ฐ€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky (JPM)

๊ฒฝํ—˜ ๊ฒฝ์ œ, ์†Œ์…œ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด, ๊ตฌ๋… ์„œ๋น„์Šค, ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ๊ณต๊ธ‰ โ€” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ๋“ค์ด 5~10๋…„ ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ์Œ์•…์„ ๋Œ์–ด์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์œ ํšจํ•œ๊ฐ€์š”?

When we look at the tailwinds that have driven live music for 5 or 10 years or longer, trends like the experience economy, social media, subscription services, global supply. Do you see these trends as just as relevant today and on a go-forward basis?

โ—€ Berchtold (LYV CFO)

100%์ฃ . ๋งคํฌ๋กœ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ง„์งœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ฃผ์š” ๊ตญ์ œ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค์ด ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์–ด๋””๋“  ํˆฌ์–ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋๊ณ , ๋™์‹œ์— K-pop, ๋ผํ‹ด, ์ปจํŠธ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ง€์—ญ ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค๋„ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒํ•ด์กŒ์–ด์š”. Spotify, Apple Music์ด ์Œ์•…์„ ์–ด๋””๋“  ๋ฐฐํฌํ•˜๊ณ , TikTok, YouTube, Instagram์ด ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿดํ™”์‹œํ‚ค์ฃ .

๊ณต๊ธ‰ ์ชฝ๋„ ๋ณ€ํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ์—†์–ด์š”. ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค์€ ํˆฌ์–ด๋กœ ๋จน๊ณ ์‚ด์•„์š”. ๋…น์Œ ์Œ์•…์ด ๋ณธ๊ฒฉํ™”๋˜๊ธฐ ์ „ ์‹œ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ„ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ์ˆ˜์š”์™€ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์ด ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์ด๋‚ด๋ฏน์€ ๊ทธ ์–ด๋А ๋•Œ๋ณด๋‹ค ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ , ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฐˆ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์€ ๊ทธ ์ˆ˜์š”์™€ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐํ• ์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .

100%. We've got great macro demand trends, truly global demand now for our music... regional acts, K-pop, Latin, country are now truly global. Because of the distribution of Spotify and Apple Music... they discover the artists, they go viral. On the supply side, nothing's changed in the sense that artists are making their living on the road. It's back before recorded music was the big jump.

K-pop์ด ๋ช…์‹œ๋œ ์ฒซ ์‚ฌ๋ก€ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜. HYBE/SM/JYP/YG์˜ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํˆฌ์–ด ํ™œ์„ฑ๋„๊ฐ€ LYV์˜ international growth thesis์™€ ์ง์ ‘ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ. ๋‹จ, LYV๋Š” K-pop ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ promotion ๋น„์ค‘์ด ์•„์ง ์ž‘์•„ ์ง์ ‘ leverage๋Š” ์ œํ•œ์ . ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค K-pop ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ/Europe/LatAm ํˆฌ์–ด๊ฐ€ LYV venue ์‚ฌ์šฉ์œผ๋กœ ํ˜๋Ÿฌ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” indirect tailwind๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ์งˆ.
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WFHยทAI๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚œ ์—ฌ๊ฐ€์‹œ๊ฐ„ โ€” ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋‚˜์š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด ์œ ์—ฐ์„ฑ์ด ์—ฌ๊ฐ€์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋Š˜๋ ธ๊ณ  AI๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋” ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ž€ ์‹œ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ชฉ์š”์ผ ๋ฐค ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์กŒ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์— ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ์•ˆ ๊ฐ€๋„ ๋˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.

There's a view that work-from-home flexibility has increased our leisure time and AI will compound it. Is it easier to schedule a concert on a Thursday night if people think they don't have to be in the offices on Friday?

โ—€ Berchtold

์•„์ง ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋Š” ์—†์–ด์š”. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ‘œ์ค€์ด "ํ™”์ˆ˜๋ชฉ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค ์ถœ๊ทผ"์ด ๋๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋ชฉ์š”์ผ๊ณผ ์ผ์š”์ผ ๋ฐค์ด ์ •๋ง ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง€๊ณ , ์ˆ˜์š”์ผ์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ชฉ์š”์ผ์ด ๋˜์ฃ .

๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด โ€” ์žฌํƒ๊ทผ๋ฌด, ๋””์ง€ํ„ธํ™”, ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ์— ๋งค์—ฌ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚ ์ˆ˜๋ก ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ์ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ์š•๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ์ปค์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ํšŒ์‚ฌ ํƒ•๋น„์‹ค์—์„œ ๋™๋ฃŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ ์‹ฌ์„ ์•ˆ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์–ด๋””์„œ ์‚ฌํšŒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชจ์ด๊ฒ ์–ด์š”? ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ, ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋†’์€ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ์  ๋ชจ์ž„์ด์—์š”. ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์ถ•ํ•˜, ํฅ๋ถ„, ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž ์•ˆ ๊ฐ€์ž–์•„์š”. ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์ด๋ž‘ ๊ฐ€์ฃ . ๋””์ง€ํ„ธ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ํ˜ผ์ž ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋Š˜์ˆ˜๋ก, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ณ ๋ฐ€๋„ ์†Œ์…œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ˆ์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์ปค์ ธ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋”ฑ ๋งž์•„์š”.

If the standard is now work from the office Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, well, that makes Thursday and Sunday night really easy, and it makes Wednesday the new Thursday... The more time that you spend in your digital world by yourself, the greater the need to go have that high-level social experience. We fit that to a tee.

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โšกEUREKA๋งคํฌ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ ค โ€” ์ˆ˜์š” ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋Š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

์ด๋ฒˆ ์ปจํผ๋Ÿฐ์Šค์—์„œ ๋งคํฌ๋กœ๊ฐ€ ํ•ซ์ด์Šˆ์˜ˆ์š”. ์—๋„ˆ์ง€ ๊ฐ€๊ฒฉ ์ƒ์Šน, ์†Œ๋น„์ž ์˜ํ–ฅ. Q1 ์–ด๋‹ ๋•Œ ๋ฐœํ‘œํ•œ 1์–ต 700๋งŒ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ ํŒ๋งค ์ˆ˜์น˜ โ€” ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?

Macro has been a topic at this conference, obviously, as it relates to rising energy prices and the read-through to consumers... is there any update to the 107 million tickets sold that you disclosed at Q1 earnings?

โ—€ Berchtold

์ตœ๊ทผ ๋ณด๋„๋“ค์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ผํ™”์ ์ด๊ณ  misleadingํ•ด์š”. ์ง€๋‚œ 3์ฃผ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ์ด์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ˆซ์ž ์•Œ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด โ€” ํ˜„์žฌ๊นŒ์ง€ ์•ฝ 1์–ต 1,900๋งŒ ์žฅ ํŒ”๋ ธ์–ด์š”. ์ง€๋‚œ 3์ฃผ์—๋งŒ 1,150๋งŒ ์žฅ. ์ž‘๋…„ ๋™๊ธฐ๊ฐ„๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ํŒ”๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .

๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ž‘๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ ๋”๋ธ”๋””์ง€ํŠธ ahead๋กœ ํŠธ๋ž˜ํ‚น ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งคํฌ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ paranoidํ•ด์„œ โ€” ์–ธ๋ก ์ด ์•ฝ์„ธ ๋ณด๋„ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ธก๋ฉด์„ ๋‹ค ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹ ํ˜ธ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๋…„๋งŒํผ sell-through ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•˜๊ณ , ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ ๋ณผ๋ฅจ์€ ์ž‘๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ substantially ์ดˆ๊ณผ.

ํ˜„์žฌ ์Šคํƒ€๋””์›€, ์•„๋ ˆ๋‚˜, ์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ โ€” ๋ชจ๋“  ๋ฉ”์ด์ € venue ํƒ€์ž…์—์„œ ๋”๋ธ”๋””์ง€ํŠธ ahead. ์ทจ์†Œ์œจ๋„ historical 1~2% ์œ ์ง€.

๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ "affordable luxury"์˜ˆ์š”. $500 ๋„˜๋Š” ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ „์ฒด์˜ ๋‹จ 2%์ธ๋ฐ, ์–ธ๋ก ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ ๋ณด๋„ํ•ด์š”. $50 ์ดํ•˜๊ฐ€ 30%, $50~$100์ด 30%, $250 ์ดˆ๊ณผ๋Š” 10%. ํ‰๊ท  get-in price๋Š” $34~$35. 2019๋…„ ๋Œ€๋น„ +18%์ธ๋ฐ ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋Š” +30%. "40๋…„ ์ „์—” $20์— ๋ดค๋‹ค"๋Š” ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ธ์€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ด ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋ฅผ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•œ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ ์š”.

In the past 3 weeks... we're at about 119 million tickets sold so far. This year, we've sold 11.5 million tickets in the past 3 weeks. That's more than we sold over that 3-week period last year... Our get-in price is $34, $35 on average in the U.S. across all of our shows. That's up about 18% from 2019, while inflation is up 30%.

3๊ฐ€์ง€ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ ๋™์‹œ ์ „๋‹ฌ: โ‘  ๋งคํฌ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ ์ œ์  ๋ฐ˜๋ฐ• (3์ฃผ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋กœ quantitative defense), โ‘ก "affordable luxury" framing = ํ–ฅํ›„ antitrust/regulation ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ํ‘œ์ค€ ๋‹ต๋ณ€ ํ™•๋ฆฝ, โ‘ข ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ underperform = ์˜๋„์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ โ€” ์ฆ‰ LYV๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ธฐ yield๋ฅผ ํฌ์ƒํ•ด์„œ๋ผ๋„ ์ •์น˜ risk๋ฅผ ํ—ค์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” long-term ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒ. ์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ธฐ EBITDA ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ณด๋‹ค "durability premium"์œผ๋กœ ๋ฉ€ํ‹ฐํ”Œ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ•จ์˜.
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์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ฆŒ โ€” per-cap, premium, ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ด๋‹ˆ์…”ํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋Š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ฆŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ˜๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€, ancillary per-cap, ์ž์ฒด venue ์—ฌ๋ฆ„ ์‹œ์ฆŒ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ด๋‹ˆ์…”ํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋Š”?

It would be great to hear any updates also on how the Amp season is shaping up, what you're seeing on ancillary per caps... any key initiatives you'd highlight for summer season?

โ—€ Berchtold

ํ˜„์žฌ ์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ฆŒ ์•ฝ 5% ์ง„ํ–‰. ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์ˆซ์ž๋Š” ์ž์ œํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”. ๋‹ค๋งŒ thus far per-cap spending, on-site spending์ด up์ด์—์š”. ์ ์–ด๋„ ๋ถ€์ •์  ์‹ ํ˜ธ๋Š” ์—†์–ด์š”.

premium ์ชฝ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๋ฐ˜์‘ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. "idle rooms" ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒˆ ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•กํ‹ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์…˜ ๋กค์•„์›ƒ ์ค‘์ด๊ณ  ์ข‹์€ uptake. ์ƒˆ ํ‘ธ๋“œ ์ปจ์…‰๋„ ๋„์ž…ํ•ด์„œ ์˜ต์…˜ ํ™•์žฅ. ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•Œ์ฝ”์˜ฌ์€ ๊ณ„์† ์ž˜ ๋จ. trade-down์ด๋‚˜ budget-focus ์‹ ํ˜ธ ์—†์–ด์š”. ์ง€๋‚œ 4๊ฐœ์›” theater & clubs์—์„œ ๋ณธ ํŠธ๋ Œ๋“œ์™€ ์ผ๊ด€.

We've had about 5% of our Amps play off... the per-cap spending, the on-site spending is up... We're rolling out a number of idle rooms, rolling out various other premium activations at our amphitheaters. Premium alcohol continues to do very well. So we're not seeing a trade down or budget focus.

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โšกEUREKAํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ โ€” ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ fee ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ, cancel ์ด์Šˆ, ๋Œ€์‘ ๋ฐฉ์‹์€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ์€ ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ 1~2๋ช… ์—†์œผ๋ฉด ์žฌ๋ฌด์ ์œผ๋กœ viableํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€๋ฐ, ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ fee๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์„œ cancel์ด ๋Š˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ . LYV๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?

There seems to be a fundamental challenge in that one or multiple strong headliners are required for financial viability to festival. But obviously, there's a lot of touring options for artists, so the fees can run high... How does Live Nation approach that issue?

โ—€ Berchtold

ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๋Š” 10๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ปจํŠธ๋กค ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ™”๋Š” ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ , ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ชจ๋ธ์„ ์ง„ํ™”์‹œ์ผœ์•ผ์ฃ . ๊ทธํ•ด ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€์— ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” "์˜ํ˜ผ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ"์€ ์†Œ์ˆ˜๊ณ , ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์ด์—์š”.

ํ˜„์‹ค์€ ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ๋“ค์ด ์•„๋ ˆ๋‚˜/์Šคํƒ€๋””์›€์—์„œ ๋ฒŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ์ด 10๋…„๊ฐ„ ๋Š˜์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ, ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ์ถœ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋„ ๊ฐ™์ด ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ”์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ๊ฒฝ์ œํ•™์€ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๊ตด๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค โ€” โ‘  ์Šคํฐ์„œ์‹ญ, โ‘ก ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ๊ธฐํšŒ.

๋‹คํ–‰ํžˆ ์ด ๋‘ ์˜์—ญ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ capability์— ๋งŽ์ด ํˆฌ์žํ•œ ๊ณณ์ด์—์š”. Russell๊ณผ ํŒ€์ด ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ์Šคํฐ์„œ์‹ญ ํŒ๋งค๋ฅผ world-class๋กœ ํ‚ค์› ๊ณ ์š”. ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๋„ ์ตœ์†Œ 5๋…„ obsessํ•ด์™”์–ด์š”. 10๋…„ ์ „ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ถ์„ ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด "์ „๋ถ€ ๋น„์‹ธ์กŒ๊ณ  ๋ˆ์„ ๋ชป ๋ฒˆ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋А๊ปด์ง€์ฃ .

The festival business is very different today than it was 10 years ago... The economics of a festival are getting driven by 2 things. One is sponsorship. And two is your premium opportunities... Russell and the team are absolute world-class at selling sponsorship... We've talked at least 5 years now obsessed over premium experiences.

ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ P&L ๊ตฌ์กฐ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์žฌํŽธ๋๋‹ค๋Š” ์„ ์–ธ. ์‹œ์žฅ์˜ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ bear thesis ("์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ ํ˜‘์ƒ๋ ฅ โ†’ LYV ๋งˆ์ง„ ์••๋ฐ•")๊ฐ€ deprecated๋˜๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„. ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ fee ์ธํ”Œ๋ ˆ๋Š” ํ—ค๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋„ˆ ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ๋งˆ์ง„์„ ์œ„ํ˜‘ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์Šคํฐ์„œ์‹ญยทํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ๋น„์ค‘์ด 50%+๋กœ ์˜ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ€๋ฉด ๊ทธ risk๊ฐ€ ์บก๋จ. ๋˜ํ•œ "soul ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ์€ ์†Œ์ˆ˜" ๋ฐœ์–ธ์€ Coachella/Lollapalooza/Bonnaroo ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋‹ˆ์ฒ˜ ์ž์‚ฐ์˜ brand moat ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ reaffirmํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„.
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ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ โ€” segmentation ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์„ค๊ณ„ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

ํ”„๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์—„ ์•ˆ์—์„œ๋„ segmentation์ด ๋งŽ์ฃ . ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?

Within the premium, there's always a lot of segmentation that goes on, thinking about that in different ways.

โ—€ Berchtold

๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ธ๊ทธ๋จผํŠธ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์€ friction์„ ์—†์• ๊ณ  ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ–๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ. ์ž”๋””๋ฐญ์—์„œ ์ €๋ ดํ•œ ํ† ์š”์ผ ๋ฐค์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ Š์€ ์ปคํ”Œ โ€” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์˜ต์…˜์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ฒฐํ˜ผ๊ธฐ๋…์ผ์— ์•„๋‚ด๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ํฐ๋ˆ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ โ€” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ด์š”.

์—ญ์‚ฌ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์Œ์•… ์‚ฐ์—…์€ segment๋ฅผ ์•ˆ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋Œ์–ด๋“ค์ด๊ณ , ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ์—๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ค„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์—ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ์ „์ฒด ์‚ฐ์—… output ํ™•์žฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•ด์™”์–ด์š”.

Our job is to figure out how to eliminate friction... Historically, the music industry hasn't segmented, hasn't given those opportunities. We're trying to do that so that we can attract more people... generally expands output in the industry.

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โšกEUREKAInternational TAM โ€” Europe, LatAm, APAC ํฌ์ง€์…”๋‹์€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

๋ฏธ๋ž˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ international์—์„œ ์˜จ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ž์ฃผ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š”๋ฐ, Europe/LatAm/APAC ํฌ์ง€์…˜๊ณผ ์ƒ๋Œ€์  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š”?

You've noted frequently that you see the majority of Live Nation's future growth is coming from international. Can you spend a moment talking to the company's current position in Europe, LatAm, and APAC?

โ—€ Berchtold

๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์˜๊ตญ์ด ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ์นจํˆฌ์œจ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์‹œ์žฅ์ด์—์š”. ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€ ์‹œ์žฅ โ€” ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์„œ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์กฐ์ฐจ โ€” ์นจํˆฌ์œจ์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ/์˜๊ตญ ๋Œ€๋น„ 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 ์ˆ˜์ค€์ด์—์š”. ์ฆ‰ 2๋ฐฐ, 3๋ฐฐ, 4๋ฐฐ ์„ฑ์žฅ ์—ฌ์ง€.

๋ผํ‹ด์•„๋ฉ”๋ฆฌ์นด โ€” OCESA๋ฅผ beachhead๋กœ ์ง€๋‚œ 5~6๋…„ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ํ™•์žฅ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ surface๋งŒ ๊ธ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ธ๊ตฌ, ์Œ์•… ์ง€ํ–ฅ์  ๋ฌธํ™”. ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ.

์•„์‹œ์•„ โ€” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ธฐ์ค€์œผ๋กœ ๋”๋”์šฑ underpenetrated. ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„  HIP ์ธ์ˆ˜, Kaori ์˜์ž…์œผ๋กœ ์ง„์ „. ๋งค์šฐ focused. ์ผ๋ณธ์— ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋งŽ์€ ํ™œ๋™ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์„œ์œ ๋Ÿฝ๋„ matureํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ ๋“ค ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, US๊ฐ€ 10๋…„๊ฐ„ hyperlocal๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ โ€” ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ same opportunity๋ฅผ Europe์—์„œ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ถ”์ง„ ์ค‘.

2x, 3x, 4x growth that you can still get in those markets... tremendous expansion in Latin America over the past 5 or 6 years using OCESA as our beachhead... brought in Kaori with the HIP acquisition. We're very focused now... you'll see a lot more activity being driven into Japan.

"2x/3x/4x growth"๋ผ๋Š” ํ‘œํ˜„์€ ๋‹จ์ˆœ ์บ์น˜ํ”„๋ ˆ์ด์ฆˆ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ LYV ๋‚ด๋ถ€ TAM ๋ชจ๋ธ์˜ quantitative anchor. ์นจํˆฌ์œจ ๊ฐญ = ์ง์ ‘์  ticket volume ์ฆ๊ฐ€ ์ž ์žฌ๋ ฅ. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ Kaori (์ „ Creativeman/HIP ๋Œ€ํ‘œ๊ธ‰) ์˜์ž…์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ์ผ๋ณธ์ด ๋‹จ์ˆœ "์˜ต์…˜"์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ 2026~28๋…„ ํ•ต์‹ฌ capex ๋ฐฐ๋ถ„ ์ง€์—ญ์ž„์„ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„. K-pop์˜ ์ผ๋ณธ ํˆฌ์–ด ํ™œ์„ฑ๋„์™€ LYV ์ผ๋ณธ venue/ticketing ํ™•์žฅ์˜ ๊ต์ง‘ํ•ฉ โ€” ํ•œ๊ตญ ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ  ํˆฌ์ž์ž ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ indirect leverage ํฌ์ธํŠธ.
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โšกEUREKAVenue Nation์˜ international TAM โ€” ์–ด๋””๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

Venue Nation์˜ international TAM์€์š”? ์Œ์•… ์ˆ˜์š”๊ฐ€ ์ง„์งœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ผ์ • ์ธ๊ตฌ ์ด์ƒ ๋„์‹œ ์ค‘ viable venue๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ๊ณณ์€ ๋‹ค ํ™•์žฅ ํ›„๋ณด์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?

With Venue Nation, how do you think about the international TAM? Does that mean any city above a certain population and lacking a viable venue is reasonable for you to expand to?

โ—€ Berchtold

100% ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋ฒ• โ€” ์ฒซ์งธ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์™ธ ์ƒ์œ„ 75๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ ์ค‘ 47๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ modern arena ๋ถ€์žฌ ๋˜๋Š” underpenetrated. ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ ์‹œ์žฅ์ด arena ํ•œ๋‘ ๊ฐœ ๋” ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์—ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ๋“ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ starting opportunity. 75๊ฐœ๋Š” ์‹œ์ž‘์ด๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฐ top 200๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ, ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‰ฌ์šด ์‹œ์žฅ๋“ค โ€” fan base ๋ณด์žฅ.

๋‘˜์งธ, ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ” ์‚ฌ๋ก€. ์ž‘๋…„ stadium 30์—ฌ dates์„ ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ”์—์„œ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, 10๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ์—์„œ. OCESA ์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค๋„ "์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ”์‹œํ‹ฐ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๊ตฌ๋‚˜, 9๊ฐœ ๋„์‹œ ๋” ์žˆ๊ตฌ๋‚˜" ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์Œ. ๊ณผ๋‹ฌ๋ผํ•˜๋ผ์— ์ƒˆ venue ์ง“๋Š” ์ค‘์ด๊ณ ์š”.

5~6๋…„ ์ „๋žต ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด, venue ์ „๋žต ๊ฐ€์†ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ "5๋…„ ํ›„์—๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ž๋ฆฌ์—์„œ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ TAM ์–˜๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ". ๋‹ค๋งŒ pipeline ํ’€๋ฉด์„œ ๋” smartํ•ด์งˆ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.

47 out of those 75 are either lacking an arena of any kind of modern form or underpenetrated... We probably go to the top couple of hundred... we ended up doing stadium shows in 10 cities. We just putting a venue into Guadalajara.

Top-75 โ†’ 47 underpenetrated์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์ฒด ์ˆ˜์น˜๋Š” LYV๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ venue TAM์„ quantitativeํ•˜๊ฒŒ deconstructํ•œ ๋ฐœ์–ธ. ํ•œ ๋„์‹œ = arena 1๊ฐœ + amphitheater 1๊ฐœ + ๋ถ€์ˆ˜์  ticketing/sponsorship๋กœ ํ’€๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€์ •์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ $5~10B+ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ EBITDA ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ. ๋‹จ, gating factor๋Š” capital์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ development team capacity. ๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ชจ๋‹ˆํ„ฐ๋ง ํฌ์ธํŠธ๋Š” โ‘  ์ง€์—ญ๋ณ„ dev team ํ—ค๋“œ์นด์šดํŠธ ์ฆ๊ฐ€ ์ถ”์ด, โ‘ก ์—ฐ๊ฐ„ venue ground-breaking ์ˆ˜ (๊ฐ€์ด๋˜์Šค "a few a year" โ†’ ๊ฐ€์† ์—ฌ๋ถ€).
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Estadio GNP ์‚ฌ๋ก€ โ€” ๋ฆฌ๋…ธ๋ฒ ์ด์…˜ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ถ, ์Šคํฌ์ธ ํŒ€๊ณผ์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ์€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

venue ๋ฆฌ๋…ธ๋ฒ ์ด์…˜์—์„œ ํฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ๊ฑฐ๋‘์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, Estadio GNP ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ์˜ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ถ ์„ค๋ช… ๋ถ€ํƒํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ ๋ถ€๋™์‚ฐ owner, ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ํŒ€๊ณผ์˜ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ ์—ฌ์ง€๋Š”?

It'd be great if you could spend a moment describing a location like Estadio GNP, run through the playbook there... how much room is there to partner with existing real estate owners or sports teams?

โ—€ Berchtold

Estadio GNP, ์ •๋ง world-class. ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์Œ์•… venue. ์ž‘๋…„ ์•ฝ 300๋งŒ ๋ช… ๊ด€๊ฐ. ๋ฆฌ๋…ธ๋ฒ ์ด์…˜์€ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์—์„œ ์™”์–ด์š” โ€” premium๊ณผ sponsorship. premium ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ substantially ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ , sponsorship์„ ํ™œ์„ฑํ™”. 2๋…„ ๋‚ด ROI ํšŒ์ˆ˜.

๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ํŒ€๋“ค โ€” ์ž๊ธฐ stadium/arena ์ฃผ๋ณ€์— entertainment district ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ž๋ณธ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ด์„œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ถ€์œ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค. ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ํ๋ฆ„. venue๋ฅผ ์ง“๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ์•„๋Š” ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ โ€” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ design/development team. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ deliverํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ํŠธ๋ž™ ๋ ˆ์ฝ”๋“œ.

๋ฏธ๊ตญ owner ๋ชจ๋‘์™€ ๋Œ€ํ™” ์ค‘์ด๊ณ ์š”. International์—์„  Atlรฉtico Madrid์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ โ€” stadium ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ณณ๊ณผ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ์‹ญ, ์•„๋ ˆ๋‚˜๋„ ์ง“๊ณ , land ๊ฐ–๊ณ , local ๊ด€๊ณ„, ๋น ๋ฅธ permitting. "์šฐ๋ฆฐ music arena๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋•Œ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•ˆ๋‹ค" โ€” ๋‹น์—ฐํ•œ ๋“ฏ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋ก  rare skill์ด์—์š”.

Estadio GNP... it is the highest attended music venue in the world. Something like 3 million fans... renovation came down primarily to premium and sponsorship... fast return on that... they don't come to us because they need capital. These are some of the richest people in the country. But what they want is they want to have a flow of concerts.

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Venue pipeline์˜ ramp ์†๋„ โ€” gating factor๋Š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

venue pipeline ์ฑ„์šฐ๋Š” ์†๋„๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€์š”? financing, ๊ฑด์„ค ์ง€์—ฐ, execution risk ๊ฐ™์€ gating factor๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”?

What ultimately governs the pace at which you fill the pipeline? How do you think about the gating factors like financing, construction delays, or just execution risk?

โ—€ Berchtold

์œ ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ capability ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด์—์š”. ํ˜„์žฌ 20์—ฌ venue๊ฐ€ ๊ฑด์„ค ์ค‘ ๋˜๋Š” fully-permitted. ๊ทธ์ค‘ 10๊ฐœ๊ฐ€ large arena/amphitheater๊ธ‰.

ํ˜„์žฌ US, LatAm, Asia, Europe์— dev team ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๊ฐ ํŒ€์ด ramp upํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ incrementalํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋” take on. 1๋…„์— 10๊ฐœ ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ๋งค๋…„ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ์”ฉ ์ถ”๊ฐ€. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ most project๋ฅผ reject โ€” ๋†’์€ ๊ฒฝ์ œ์  return threshold ์œ ์ง€. M&A๋กœ ๊ฐ€์†ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ ์š”. LatAm์—์„  ๋ฏธ๊ตญ/์œ ๋Ÿฝ/์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค๋ณด๋‹ค ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ง€์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ramp up์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ layerํ•ด์„œ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .

20-odd venues right now, either in construction or fully permitted... about 10 of them would be at the large arena, amphitheater arena level... We say no to most projects, right? Because we have a pretty high threshold of economic return... incrementally take on more... add a few a year.

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โšกEUREKATicketmaster international โ€” ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ, ์ผ๋ณธ ์–ด๋””๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

๊ตญ์ œ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด majority๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ticketing๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฒ ์ฃ . ๋ธŒ๋ผ์งˆ, ์ผ๋ณธ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ณณ โ€” ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์  ์กด์žฌ๋Š” ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ Ticketmaster๋Š” ์•„์ง nascent. ๊ธฐํšŒ๋Š” ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ํฐ๊ฐ€์š”?

In some regions like Brazil or Japan, where you've built a physical presence, Ticketmaster is still pretty nascent. So how big is the opportunity to establish more robust ticketing operations in these markets?

โ—€ Berchtold

์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ๊ธฐํšŒ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋…์ผ์—์„œ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ•œ ํ”Œ๋ ˆ์ด๋ถ์„ ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ โ€” promoter ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋จผ์ €, ๊ทธ ์œ„์— sponsorship, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋กœ ticketing ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค. LatAm์€ ๋งค์šฐ fragmented. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ major player๋กœ ์ง„์ž…ํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ. ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ์™€ ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ ๊ฐ•์„ธ leverage.

์•„์‹œ์•„๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ fragmented. ์ผ๋ณธ โ€” "๋จธ์ง€์•Š์•„ ticketing ์‹œ์ž‘" ๋ช…์‹œ. presale๋กœ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค establishํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋นŒ๋“œ์•„์›ƒ. ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ช‡ ๋…„๊ฐ„ Ticketmaster ๊ธฐํšŒ โ€” ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋‘ ๊ณณ: LatAm๊ณผ Asia.

It's a massive opportunity... we'll follow the same playbook that we followed in Germany... Latin America is very fragmented. We think there's the opportunity for us to come in and be a major player on the ticketing side... we expect to be able to be in Japan before long doing ticketing... Latin America and Asia.

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โšกEUREKA์‹ ์ž„ TM President์˜ ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ โ€” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๋‚˜?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

2025๋…„ ๋ง ์ƒˆ TM President ๋ถ€์ž„. product ๋ฐฑ๊ทธ๋ผ์šด๋“œ. international ์™ธ์— ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„๋Š”?

You've had a new Ticketmaster president in place since late 2025. I think he brings more of a product background to the role... what else would you highlight about where his priorities are?

โ—€ Berchtold

๋งž์•„์š”, ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๊ณผ product ๋ฐฑ๊ทธ๋ผ์šด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ. product์— obsess. ์šฐ์„ ์ˆœ์œ„ 1๋ฒˆ์€ fan experience ๊ฐœ์„ . ๊ณ ์ˆ˜์š” on-sale ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ, ๋ด‡๊ณผ์˜ ์ „์Ÿ โ€” ๋ด‡์ด ์•„๋‹Œ fan์—๊ฒŒ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์ด ๊ฐ€๋„๋ก. ๋ˆ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ค์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ ๋ถ€์ •ํ–‰์œ„ ์ธ์„ผํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ๋กœ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ tool์„ ๋กค์•„์›ƒ ์ค‘.

venue, ์Šคํฌ์ธ  ํŒ€, ์•„ํ‹ฐ์ŠคํŠธ์šฉ ์ƒˆ tool ๊ณ„์† ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ. product mindset์œผ๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  stakeholder์˜ pain point ๋ฌป๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋‹˜. ํ”Œ๋žซํผ ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„  โ€” ์ƒˆ ์‹œ์žฅ deploy๊ฐ€ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋นจ๋ผ์ง. ์ผ๋ณธ ์˜ˆ์ „์—” "3๋…„ ๊ณ„ํš ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜์ž"์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‹ ์ž„ President๋Š” "1๋…„์ด๋‹ค. ์—ฐ๋ง๊นŒ์ง€ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ ํŒ๋‹ค. ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ์ข‹๋‹ค. ํ•œ์ •์ ์ด์–ด๋„ ์ข‹๋‹ค. 1๋…„ ์•ˆ์— ํŒ๋‹ค". ์—ญ์‚ฌ์  ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ• ๊นจ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.

์กฐ์ง ๋ณ€ํ™”๋„ ์ง„ํ–‰ ์ค‘ โ€” streamline, product ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ, AI tool๋กœ historical barrier ๋ฌด๋„ˆ๋œจ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ. ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋น ๋ฅธ ์†๋„ ๋ณด์‹ค ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”.

Number one is continuing to improve the fan experience... how do you continue to fight bots?... He's obviously been making some changes organizationally. He's streamlining. He's changing the way in which product development occurs using a lot of AI tools to help break down some of those historical barriers... Japan would be, let's talk about our 3-year plan to get there. And he said, no, we have 1 year.

TM์˜ "tech ํšŒ์‚ฌํ™”"๋ผ๋Š” ๋ฉ”๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„. ๋ถ€์ž„ 6๊ฐœ์›” ๋งŒ์— โ‘  ์ผ๋ณธ ํƒ€์ž„๋ผ์ธ 3๋…„โ†’1๋…„ ์••์ถ•, โ‘ก ์กฐ์ง reorg + severance (Q1 ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ ๋น„์šฉ์˜ ์›์ธ), โ‘ข AI tool ์ ๊ทน ๋„์ž… โ€” ์ด๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœ ์šด์˜ ํšจ์œจํ™”๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ TM์„ "๋…์  ticketing ์„œ๋น„์Šค"์—์„œ "venue/promoter์šฉ vertical SaaS"๋กœ repositionํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‹œ๋„๋กœ ํ•ด์„ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ. ์„ฑ๊ณต ์‹œ โ‘  ๋ฉ€ํ‹ฐํ”Œ (boring growth โ†’ tech-like), โ‘ก DOJ post-settlement ์‹œ๋Œ€์˜ retention rate์— ์ง์ ‘ ์˜ํ–ฅ. ๋ชจ๋‹ˆํ„ฐ๋ง ํฌ์ธํŠธ: ์‹ ์ž„ President์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„ ๊ณต์‹ ํ™•์ธ, product roadmap ๊ณต๊ฐœ ์ผ์ •, AI ํ™œ์šฉ ์‚ฌ๋ก€ ๋””์Šคํด๋กœ์ €.
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Ticketing ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ โ€” 4์›”๊นŒ์ง€ fee-bearing +9%, GTV +15%
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

์–ด๋‹์—์„œ 4์›”๊นŒ์ง€ fee-bearing ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ +9%, GTV +15% ๊ณต์‹œ. ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ + ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ/ํŒจ๋ฐ€๋ฆฌ/์Šคํฌ์ธ  ๋ฏน์Šค color ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?

You highlighted fee-bearing tickets transacted through April, up 9%, GTV up 15%. Any update here and any associated color on concerts, family, and sports within that mix?

โ—€ Berchtold

๋งค์ฃผ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์ž์ œํ• ๊ฒŒ์š”. ๋‹ค๋งŒ โ€” ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ๊ฐ€ ํฅํ•˜๋ฉด ticketing๋„ ํฅํ•ด์š”. ticketing ์„ฑ์žฅ์˜ ๋‘ ๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋ฒ„: ์‹ ๊ทœ client + ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ๋ณผ๋ฅจ. ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋Š” tournament๋กœ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์„ฑ์žฅ, ๋ฆฌ๊ทธ ํ™•์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์„ฑ์žฅ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฒŒ์ž„ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ•˜์ง„ ์•Š์•„์š”.

๋Œ€๋‹ค์ˆ˜ ์„ฑ์žฅ์ด ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ์—์„œ. ์Šคํฌ์ธ ๋Š” ์‹ ๊ทœ client ์ถ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•ต์‹ฌ. ์˜ฌํ•ด ์ถœ๋ฐœ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ์ถœ๋ฐœ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์„œ. recognition์ด ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋ณต์žกํ•ด์ง€๊ธด ํ–ˆ์–ด์š” โ€” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๋Š” venue ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์˜ recognition์„ deferํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ. ๋” ๋งŽ์€ venue ์šด์˜ํ• ์ˆ˜๋ก ๋ณต์žกํ•ด์ง€์ง€๋งŒ deferred revenue์—์„œ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๋ชจ๋ธ๋งํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜๋Š” โ€” ๊ทธ์ € ์ˆ˜์ต ์ธ์‹ timing ์ด์Šˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

As goes concerts, so goes tickets... your sports volume can grow a bit based on tournaments... vast majority of growth comes from concerts... a little more complicated on some of their recognition because they defer the recognition of tickets and venues that we operate... timing of when that profitability gets recognized.

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โšกEUREKATicketing AOI Q1 +1% โ€” bespoke item, ์ง„์งœ underlying์€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

Q1 ticketing AOI +1%. ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ ์˜ํ–ฅ โ€” secondary ๋ณ€ํ™”, FTC ์†Œ์†ก ๋น„์šฉ. underlying growth์™€ ์—ฐ์ค‘ ํ’€๋ ค๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ?

Ticketing AOI was up 1% in Q1. There were some bespoke items that are impacting results, changes in the secondary market, legal expenses related to the FTC case. Help us better understand the underlying growth.

โ—€ Berchtold

ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋น ๋œจ๋ฆฌ์…จ์–ด์š” โ€” ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋ ˆ๋ธŒ high-20s ์„ฑ์žฅ, $5B+ GTV ๋Œ€ํ‘œ. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ underlying์€ ๋ง์”€๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” robustํ•ด์š”.

์˜ฌํ•ด Ticketmaster ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ํ•ด ๋  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ๊ฐ•ํ•ด์„œ์š”. ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ headwind ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ โ€” secondary ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค tightening ๋ณ€ํ™”, reorg severance, ์ผ๋ถ€ legal issue. ํŽ€๋”๋ฉ˜ํ„ธ๋กœ๋Š” Ticketmaster ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค๊ฐ€ history์ƒ best shape. premier global product. ๋งค์šฐ ๋†’์€ renewal rate, ์‹ ๊ทœ client ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์†๋„. 5๋…„ plan์—์„œ base case๋กœ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๋ฉฐ mid-single-digit growth ์ด์ƒ ์œ ์ง€ ์˜ˆ์ƒ.

You left out our high-20s growth in deferred revenue representing over $5 billion of GTV... underlying is even more robust... a few onetime headwinds, changes that we made in the secondary business to tighten that down, some of the reorganizational things that have severance, a few legal issues. But fundamentally, I think the Ticketmaster business is in the best shape it's ever been in.

๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋‹จ์ผ ๋ฐœ์–ธ. ์• ๋„๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๊ฐ€ +1% AOI์— ๊ฐ‡ํžˆ๋Š” ์ˆœ๊ฐ„, CFO๋Š” "ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๋น ๋œจ๋ฆฌ์…จ์–ด์š”"๋ผ๋ฉฐ ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋ ˆ๋ธŒ high-20s + $5B+ GTV๋กœ ๋Œ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆผ. ์ฆ‰ ํ‘œ๋ฉด AOI๋Š” ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ ๋…ธ์ด์ฆˆ์— ๋ฌปํ˜€์žˆ๊ณ , ํšŒ๊ณ„์ƒ ์ธ์‹์ด ๋ฏธ๋ค„์ง„ ์ง„์งœ underlying์€ ํญ๋ฐœ์ . ์ด mismatch๊ฐ€ ์ •์ •๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ์  = 2H26/2027 catalyst. โ‘  secondary tightening ์ผํšŒ์„ฑ์€ anniversary๋  ๊ฒƒ, โ‘ก severance/legal์€ quantum ํ•œ์ •, โ‘ข deferred โ†’ recognized ์ „ํ™˜์€ ์ž์—ฐ ๋ฐœ์ƒ. ํ˜„์žฌ sell-side ์ปจ์„ผ์„œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋””ํผ๋“œ ๋™ํ•™ ๋ฏธ๋ฐ˜์˜์ด๋ฉด, ์ด๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ EPS surprise๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ.
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Sponsorship โ€” international/Venue Nation์œผ๋กœ ๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋ฒ„ ๋ณ€ํ™”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

Russell WallachํŒ€์ด sponsorship์„ Q&A ๋์— ๋„ฃ์„ ์ •๋„๋กœ ์ž˜ ๊ตด๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒŒ credit์ธ๋ฐ โ€” international + Venue Nation ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋กœ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋“œ๋ผ์ด๋ฒ„๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๋‚˜์š”?

Tying this back to international and Venue Nation, does that change the growth drivers of sponsorship relative to the past? And are there adjustments that need to be made on your part?

โ—€ Berchtold

๋งž์•„์š”, ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ boringํ•œ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์ฃ  โ€” 5์›”์— ์•‰์•„์„œ "์˜ฌํ•ด 85~90% ํŒ”๋ ธ๋‹ค, ๊ฑฑ์ • ๋งˆ๋ผ" ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ. Russell๊ณผ ํŒ€์ด ๋งค๋…„ ๋”๋ธ”๋””์ง€ํŠธ ์„ฑ์žฅ deliver. ํ–ฅํ›„ 5๋…„๊ฐ„ ์„ฑ์žฅ์›์ฒœ evolution ๋ถ„๋ช… ์žˆ์„ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ํŽ˜์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ฒŒ, checkout, ์‹ ์šฉ์นด๋“œ์‚ฌ, presale tech firm โ€” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค๊ณผ foundation์„ ๊น”์•„๋†จ๊ณ ์š”.

์ด์ œ venue์— focusํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ sponsorship ๋ชจ๋„คํƒ€์ด์ฆˆ โ†’ ํ–ฅํ›„ 5๋…„ ์„ฑ์žฅ ๋‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ venue ํ™•์žฅ์—์„œ. naming rights๋ถ€ํ„ฐ club, venue ๊ณณ๊ณณ๊นŒ์ง€ sponsorable asset์ด ๋งŽ๊ณ , premium ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ผ์„œ ์ƒํ˜ธ ๊ฐ•ํ™”. LatAm, Europe โ€” venue ์ชฝ์—์„œ ๋งŽ์ด ์˜ฌ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. Estadio GNP๊ฐ€ ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ โ€” Foro Sol(๊ตฌ) โ†’ ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ”์‹œํ‹ฐ์˜ foundational piece.

It's the most boring business in the world when I sit here in May and say, "Hey, we're 85% to 90% sold for the year"... a lot of our growth in the next 5 years will come from the venue expansion because there are so many sponsorable assets from the naming rights to the clubs.

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โšกEUREKADOJ ํ•ฉ์˜ โ€” non-exclusive ๊ณ„์•ฝ, ๋ฐฑ์—”๋“œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ์˜ํ–ฅ์€?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

DOJ ํ•ฉ์˜ โ€” term sheet์— ๋น„๋…์  ๊ณ„์•ฝ, Ticketmaster๊ฐ€ venue์— ๋ฐฑ์—”๋“œ ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ ์ œ๊ณต ๋“ฑ์˜ ์ƒˆ ์‹œ์žฅ ๋‹ค์ด๋‚ด๋ฏน. ์ž ์žฌ์  ์˜ํ–ฅ์€? ์†Œ๋น„์ž ์ž…์žฅ์—์„  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ผ๊นŒ์š”?

There are some potentially new market dynamics around nonexclusive contracts, Ticketmaster offering venues a back-end system. So can you speak to the potential impact from the changes here? And what would that look like from a consumer?

โ—€ Berchtold

DOJ์™€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” "์™œ Ticketmaster๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ๊ณตํ–ˆ๋‚˜"์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ fundamentalํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ด€์ ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์–ด์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€์ : best ticketing platform์ด๊ณ , venue๊ฐ€ exclusivity ์›ํ•ด์š” โ€” single provider์˜ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•จ, ํŠนํžˆ ๊ทธ single์ด best์ธ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ. DOJ ๊ด€์ : exclusive ๊ณ„์•ฝ์ด ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์„ ์ฐจ๋‹จํ•ด unfair. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ "์‹œ์žฅ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋‘์ž" ํ•ฉ์˜.

exclusivity ์™„ํ™”, non-exclusivity ํ—ˆ์šฉ. ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ super easy โ€” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ticketing provider๊ฐ€ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“ ๋ฐฐํฌํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฑ์—”๋“œ๋กœ validate. ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋งž๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ venue๊ฐ€ exclusivity๋ฅผ ์›ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๊ทธ exclusivity๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€์ด๊ธธ ์›ํ•  ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์–ด์š”. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งž๋‹ค๋ฉด โ€” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .

ํ•ต์‹ฌ focus: best product ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ. ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ํšจ๊ณผ์ . ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์˜ 20~30%๊ฐ€ ๋ฏธํŒ๋งค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹ ๊ฒฝ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฑด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ ๋ฏธํŒ๋งค ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์„ ๋” ํŒ”๊นŒ. ๋ช‡๋ช‡ venue๊ฐ€ ์ผ๋ถ€ ํ‹ฐ์ผ“์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ primary marketplace๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ•ด๋„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์„ฑ๊ณต์˜ ๊ฒฐ์ • ์š”์ธ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.

Our view has been, well, it's the best ticketing platform... venues want exclusivity. They want to deal with the simplicity of a single provider... we will relax that exclusivity. We'll push to have some nonexclusivity... if another ticketing provider is distributing tickets, we'll validate those tickets... we continue to believe that most venues are going to want exclusivity, and they're going to want that exclusivity to be with us... You continue to have 20% to 30% of tickets unsold on a typical event.

DOJ ํ•ฉ์˜๋ฅผ strategic asset์œผ๋กœ reframe. โ‘  ๋น„๋…์  ํ—ˆ์šฉ = ์™ธ๊ด€์ƒ ์–‘๋ณด์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฐฑ์—”๋“œ validation = ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์ธํ”„๋ผ ๋ฝ์ธ (Visa/Mastercard์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ settlement ๋ ˆ์ด์–ด). โ‘ก 20~30% ๋ฏธํŒ๋งค ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋Š” LYV๊ฐ€ ticketing์„ "๋…์ ์  ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ" โ†’ "yield optimization ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค"๋กœ reframeํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์‹ ํ˜ธ โ€” ๋ฏธํŒ๋งค ์ค„์ด๋Š” ๋ฐ์„œ ์ง„์งœ ๊ฐ€์น˜. โ‘ข "exclusivity ์œ ์ง€๊ฐ€ venue์— ์ด์ต"์ด๋ผ๋Š” narrative๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ™•์ธ๋˜๋ฉด LYV์˜ competitive moat๋Š” ์•ฝํ™”๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ data-driven์œผ๋กœ reaffirm๋จ. AXS, SeatGeek ๋“ฑ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์‚ฌ ์ž…์žฅ์—์„œ ์ด ํ•ฉ์˜๋Š” ํ˜•์‹์  ์Šน๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์งˆ์  ์ง„์ž…์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์–ด๋ ค์›Œ. โ†’ DOJ ํ•ฉ์˜ ํ›„ ์ฒซ 1~2๋…„ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‹จ๊ธฐ ์ตœ๋Œ€ catalyst.
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โšกEUREKAO&O Amp ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ โ€” 50% ์ธ๋ฒคํ† ๋ฆฌ, building ํ™œ์šฉ๋„๋Š”?
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โ–ถ Karnovsky

์ž์ฒด(O&O) ์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ promoter์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์ฃ . ๊ทธ promoter๋“ค์€ 50%๊นŒ์ง€ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ticketing vendor ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ . 2027๋…„ ์ด๋ฒคํŠธ์ด๊ธด ํ•œ๋ฐ โ€” ๊ฑด๋ฌผ ํ™œ์šฉ๋„์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ?

With regards to certain O&O Amps, you've agreed to open those up to other promoters. Those promoters can in turn utilize outside ticket vendors up to 50% of the inventory. This is more of a 2027 event. But how could this potentially impact the utilization of your buildings?

โ—€ Berchtold

์ข‹์€ ์†Œ์‹ โ€” Jordan๊ณผ ํŒ€์ด ์ง€๋‚œ 10๋…„๊ฐ„ per-cap ๋Œ์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒŒ ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜์š”. $16 per-cap vs $46 per-cap์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค. ์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ๊ฒฝ์ œํ•™์˜ ํฐ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด ์ด์ œ venue ์šด์˜์—์„œ ์™€์š”.

venue ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉํ•ด์„œ 3rd party promoter ๋“ค์–ด์˜ค๋ฉด โ€” ์ฝ˜์„œํŠธ ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‡ผ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ์ค„๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•ฐํ”ผ์‹œ์–ดํ„ฐ ์šด์˜์—๋Š” incrementalํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํฐ ์ด์ต. ์ž์‹  ์žˆ๊ฒŒ โ€” ๊ฐœ๋ฐฉ์ด makes sense. ์˜ˆ์ „์—๋„ ๊ณ ๋ ค ์ค‘์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ legal morass์— ๊ฐ‡ํ˜€์„œ ๊นŠ์ด ๋ชป ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์–ด์š”. settlement์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ์‚ฐ์—…์—๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๋„ fine.

$16 per cap different it is very different than when you're in your $46 per cap business... opening the venues and having third-party promoters will may reduce a bit the number of shows that we do on the concert side, but it will obviously directly benefit our amphitheater operations where we'll make a lot of money on an incremental basis... we're comfortable that it makes sense for the industry, and it will be fine for us.

2027๋…„ catalyst์˜ ์ง„์งœ ์˜๋ฏธ. ์™ธ๊ด€์ƒ LYV๋Š” "promoter ๋งˆ์ง„ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์–‘๋ณด"ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‹ค์ œ ์†์ต ๊ณ„์‚ฐ: โ‘  promoter ๋งˆ์ง„ ์†์‹ค = ์ผ์ • % EBITDA ๊ฐ์†Œ, โ‘ก ๋‹จ ๊ฐ™์€ venue์—์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‡ผ = $46 per-cap ร— ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ๊ด€๊ฐ ์ˆ˜ = venue ์šด์˜ ์ด์ต ์ฆ๊ฐ€, โ‘ข ์™ธ๋ถ€ ticketing ์‚ฌ์šฉ (์ตœ๋Œ€ 50%)์œผ๋กœ ์ธํ•œ TM ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ์†์‹ค์€ ๋™์ผ venue์˜ sponsorship/concession์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์‡„. ๊ฒฐ๋ก : net์œผ๋กœ ์–‘(positive)์ผ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ๋†’์Œ. CFO๊ฐ€ "fine for us"๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ "net positive 2027"์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Œ. Sell-side๋Š” ๋ณดํ†ต ๋ณด์ˆ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ net neutral~slightly negative๋กœ ๋ชจ๋ธ๋ง โ€” ์ด๊ฒŒ ์ •์ •๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒŒ 2027 catalyst.