JPM TMC ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์์ LYV CFO Joe Berchtold๊ฐ ํ์ด๋ธ 35๋ถ.
"์์๋ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๋ค"๋ผ๋ ํ๋ฉด ๋ฉ์์ง ์๋, CFO๊ฐ ์๋์ ์ผ๋ก ๋์ง ์๊ทธ๋ 12๊ฐ์ง๋ฅผ ์ถ์ ํ๋ค.
๊ฒฝํ ๊ฒฝ์ , ์์ ๋ฏธ๋์ด, ๊ตฌ๋ ์๋น์ค, ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ๊ณต๊ธ โ ์ด๋ฐ ํธ๋ ๋๋ค์ด 5~10๋ ๋ผ์ด๋ธ ์์ ์ ๋์ด์๋๋ฐ, ์ง๊ธ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ ์ ํจํ๊ฐ์?
When we look at the tailwinds that have driven live music for 5 or 10 years or longer, trends like the experience economy, social media, subscription services, global supply. Do you see these trends as just as relevant today and on a go-forward basis?
100%์ฃ . ๋งคํฌ๋ก ์ธก๋ฉด์์ ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ์ด์ด ์ข์์. ์ง์ง ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒํ ์์๊ฐ ์์ด์. ์ฃผ์ ๊ตญ์ ์ํฐ์คํธ๋ค์ด ์ ์ธ๊ณ ์ด๋๋ ํฌ์ดํ ์ ์๊ฒ ๋๊ณ , ๋์์ K-pop, ๋ผํด, ์ปจํธ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ ์ง์ญ ์ํฐ์คํธ๋ค๋ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒํด์ก์ด์. Spotify, Apple Music์ด ์์ ์ ์ด๋๋ ๋ฐฐํฌํ๊ณ , TikTok, YouTube, Instagram์ด ์ํฐ์คํธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ๊ฒฌ์ํค๊ณ ๋ฐ์ด๋ดํ์ํค์ฃ .
๊ณต๊ธ ์ชฝ๋ ๋ณํ ๊ฒ ์์ด์. ์ํฐ์คํธ๋ค์ ํฌ์ด๋ก ๋จน๊ณ ์ด์์. ๋ น์ ์์ ์ด ๋ณธ๊ฒฉํ๋๊ธฐ ์ ์๋๋ก ๋์๊ฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ . ์์์ ๊ณต๊ธ์ด ๋ง๋๋ ๋ค์ด๋ด๋ฏน์ ๊ทธ ์ด๋ ๋๋ณด๋ค ๊ฐํ๊ณ , ์๊ฐ์ด ๊ฐ์๋ก ๋ ๊ฐํด์ง ๊ฑฐ์์. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์ ๊ทธ ์์์ ๊ณต๊ธ์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ฐ๊ฒฐํ ์ง ์์๋ด๋ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
100%. We've got great macro demand trends, truly global demand now for our music... regional acts, K-pop, Latin, country are now truly global. Because of the distribution of Spotify and Apple Music... they discover the artists, they go viral. On the supply side, nothing's changed in the sense that artists are making their living on the road. It's back before recorded music was the big jump.
์ฌํ๊ทผ๋ฌด ์ ์ฐ์ฑ์ด ์ฌ๊ฐ์๊ฐ์ ๋๋ ธ๊ณ AI๊ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ๋ ๊ฐํํ ๊ฑฐ๋ ์๊ฐ์ด ์์ด์. ๋ชฉ์์ผ ๋ฐค ์ฝ์ํธ๊ฐ ๋ ์ฌ์์ก๋์? ๊ธ์์ผ์ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ค ์ ๊ฐ๋ ๋๋๊น.
There's a view that work-from-home flexibility has increased our leisure time and AI will compound it. Is it easier to schedule a concert on a Thursday night if people think they don't have to be in the offices on Friday?
์์ง ๋ช ํํ ๋ฐ์ดํฐ๋ ์์ด์. ํ์ง๋ง ํ์ค์ด "ํ์๋ชฉ ์ฌ๋ฌด์ค ์ถ๊ทผ"์ด ๋๋ค๋ฉด, ๋ชฉ์์ผ๊ณผ ์ผ์์ผ ๋ฐค์ด ์ ๋ง ์ฌ์์ง๊ณ , ์์์ผ์ด ์๋ก์ด ๋ชฉ์์ผ์ด ๋์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋ฐ๋ฐ ๋ ์ค์ํ ๊ฑด โ ์ฌํ๊ทผ๋ฌด, ๋์งํธํ, ์คํฌ๋ฆฐ์ ๋งค์ฌ์๋ ์๊ฐ์ด ๋์ด๋ ์๋ก ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ๋ชจ์ด๊ณ ์ถ์ดํ๋ ์๊ตฌ๊ฐ ์ปค์ง๋ค๋ ๊ฑฐ์์. ํ์ฌ ํ๋น์ค์์ ๋๋ฃ๋ค๊ณผ ์ ์ฌ์ ์ ํ๋ค๋ฉด, ์ด๋์ ์ฌํ์ ์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ์ด๊ฒ ์ด์? ๋ผ์ด๋ธ ์ด๋ฒคํธ, ์ฝ์ํธ๋ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋์ ํํ์ ์ฌํ์ ๋ชจ์์ด์์. ์์ํ ์ถํ, ํฅ๋ถ, ์ฝ์ํธ๋ ํผ์ ์ ๊ฐ์์์. ์น๊ตฌ๋ค์ด๋ ๊ฐ์ฃ . ๋์งํธ ์ธ์์์ ํผ์ ๋ณด๋ด๋ ์๊ฐ์ด ๋์๋ก, ๊ทธ๋ฐ ๊ณ ๋ฐ๋ ์์ ๊ฒฝํ์ ๋ํ ๋์ฆ๊ฐ ์ปค์ ธ์. ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋ฑ ๋ง์์.
If the standard is now work from the office Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, well, that makes Thursday and Sunday night really easy, and it makes Wednesday the new Thursday... The more time that you spend in your digital world by yourself, the greater the need to go have that high-level social experience. We fit that to a tee.
์ด๋ฒ ์ปจํผ๋ฐ์ค์์ ๋งคํฌ๋ก๊ฐ ํซ์ด์์์. ์๋์ง ๊ฐ๊ฒฉ ์์น, ์๋น์ ์ํฅ. Q1 ์ด๋ ๋ ๋ฐํํ 1์ต 700๋ง ํฐ์ผ ํ๋งค ์์น โ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ ์๋์?
Macro has been a topic at this conference, obviously, as it relates to rising energy prices and the read-through to consumers... is there any update to the 107 million tickets sold that you disclosed at Q1 earnings?
์ต๊ทผ ๋ณด๋๋ค์ ๋งค์ฐ ์ผํ์ ์ด๊ณ misleadingํด์. ์ง๋ 3์ฃผ๊ฐ ์ ๋ง ๊ฐํ ์์๊ฐ ์ด์ด์ง๊ณ ์์ด์. ์ซ์ ์๋ ค๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด โ ํ์ฌ๊น์ง ์ฝ 1์ต 1,900๋ง ์ฅ ํ๋ ธ์ด์. ์ง๋ 3์ฃผ์๋ง 1,150๋ง ์ฅ. ์๋ ๋๊ธฐ๊ฐ๋ณด๋ค ๋ ๋ง์ด ํ๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
๊ทธ๋์ ์๋ ๋๋น ๋๋ธ๋์งํธ ahead๋ก ํธ๋ํน ์ค์ ๋๋ค. ๋งคํฌ๋ก ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๊ฒ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ์. ์ฐ๋ฆฐ paranoidํด์ โ ์ธ๋ก ์ด ์ฝ์ธ ๋ณด๋ํ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋ ์ธก๋ฉด์ ๋ค ์ดํด๋ณด๋๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฐ ์ ํธ ์์ต๋๋ค. ์๋ ๋งํผ sell-through ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ๊ณ , ํฐ์ผ ๋ณผ๋ฅจ์ ์๋ ๋๋น substantially ์ด๊ณผ.
ํ์ฌ ์คํ๋์, ์๋ ๋, ์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ โ ๋ชจ๋ ๋ฉ์ด์ venue ํ์ ์์ ๋๋ธ๋์งํธ ahead. ์ทจ์์จ๋ historical 1~2% ์ ์ง.
๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ์ฝ์ํธ๋ ์ฌ์ ํ "affordable luxury"์์. $500 ๋๋ ํฐ์ผ์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ ์ฒด์ ๋จ 2%์ธ๋ฐ, ์ธ๋ก ์ ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ง ๋ณด๋ํด์. $50 ์ดํ๊ฐ 30%, $50~$100์ด 30%, $250 ์ด๊ณผ๋ 10%. ํ๊ท get-in price๋ $34~$35. 2019๋ ๋๋น +18%์ธ๋ฐ ์ธํ๋ ๋ +30%. "40๋ ์ ์ $20์ ๋ดค๋ค"๋ ํค๋๋ผ์ธ์ ๊ทธ ์ฌ์ด ์ธํ๋ ๋ฅผ ๋ฌด์ํ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ ์.
In the past 3 weeks... we're at about 119 million tickets sold so far. This year, we've sold 11.5 million tickets in the past 3 weeks. That's more than we sold over that 3-week period last year... Our get-in price is $34, $35 on average in the U.S. across all of our shows. That's up about 18% from 2019, while inflation is up 30%.
์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ ์์ฆ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ํ๋ฌ๊ฐ๊ณ ์๋์ง, ancillary per-cap, ์์ฒด venue ์ฌ๋ฆ ์์ฆ ์ ๊ท ์ด๋์ ํฐ๋ธ๋?
It would be great to hear any updates also on how the Amp season is shaping up, what you're seeing on ancillary per caps... any key initiatives you'd highlight for summer season?
ํ์ฌ ์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ ์์ฆ ์ฝ 5% ์งํ. ์ ํํ ์ซ์๋ ์์ ํ ๊ฒ์. ๋ค๋ง thus far per-cap spending, on-site spending์ด up์ด์์. ์ ์ด๋ ๋ถ์ ์ ์ ํธ๋ ์์ด์.
premium ์ชฝ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ๋ฐ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ด์. "idle rooms" ๊ฐ์ ์ ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ์กํฐ๋ฒ ์ด์ ๋กค์์ ์ค์ด๊ณ ์ข์ uptake. ์ ํธ๋ ์ปจ์ ๋ ๋์ ํด์ ์ต์ ํ์ฅ. ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ์์ฝ์ฌ์ ๊ณ์ ์ ๋จ. trade-down์ด๋ budget-focus ์ ํธ ์์ด์. ์ง๋ 4๊ฐ์ theater & clubs์์ ๋ณธ ํธ๋ ๋์ ์ผ๊ด.
We've had about 5% of our Amps play off... the per-cap spending, the on-site spending is up... We're rolling out a number of idle rooms, rolling out various other premium activations at our amphitheaters. Premium alcohol continues to do very well. So we're not seeing a trade down or budget focus.
ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ์ ๊ฐ๋ ฅํ ํค๋๋ผ์ด๋ 1~2๋ช ์์ผ๋ฉด ์ฌ๋ฌด์ ์ผ๋ก viableํ์ง ์์๋ฐ, ์ํฐ์คํธ fee๊ฐ ์ฌ๋ผ์ cancel์ด ๋๊ณ ์์ฃ . LYV๋ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํ์๋์?
There seems to be a fundamental challenge in that one or multiple strong headliners are required for financial viability to festival. But obviously, there's a lot of touring options for artists, so the fees can run high... How does Live Nation approach that issue?
ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๋ 10๋ ์ ๊ณผ ๋งค์ฐ ๋ค๋ฆ ๋๋ค. ์ปจํธ๋กค ๋ชปํ๋ ๋ณํ๋ ๋ฐ์๋ค์ด๊ณ , ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋ชจ๋ธ์ ์งํ์์ผ์ผ์ฃ . ๊ทธํด ํค๋๋ผ์ด๋๊ฐ ๋๊ตฌ์ธ์ง์ ์ํฅ๋ฐ์ง ์๋ "์ํผ์ด ์๋ ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ"์ ์์๊ณ , ๋๋ถ๋ถ์ ํค๋๋ผ์ด๋ ์ค์ฌ์ด์์.
ํ์ค์ ํค๋๋ผ์ด๋๋ค์ด ์๋ ๋/์คํ๋์์์ ๋ฒ ์ ์๋ ๋์ด 10๋ ๊ฐ ๋์์ผ๋, ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ ์ถ์ฐ๋ฃ๋ ๊ฐ์ด ์ฌ๋ผ๊ฐ์ด์. ๊ทธ๋์ ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ๊ตด๋ฌ๊ฐ๋๋ค โ โ ์คํฐ์์ญ, โก ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ๊ธฐํ.
๋คํํ ์ด ๋ ์์ญ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ capability์ ๋ง์ด ํฌ์ํ ๊ณณ์ด์์. Russell๊ณผ ํ์ด ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ ์คํฐ์์ญ ํ๋งค๋ฅผ world-class๋ก ํค์ ๊ณ ์. ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ๊ฒฝํ๋ ์ต์ 5๋ obsessํด์์ด์. 10๋ ์ ํ๋ ์ด๋ถ์ ๊ทธ๋๋ก ๋๋ฆฌ๋ฉด "์ ๋ถ ๋น์ธ์ก๊ณ ๋์ ๋ชป ๋ฒ๋ค"๊ณ ๋๊ปด์ง์ฃ .
The festival business is very different today than it was 10 years ago... The economics of a festival are getting driven by 2 things. One is sponsorship. And two is your premium opportunities... Russell and the team are absolute world-class at selling sponsorship... We've talked at least 5 years now obsessed over premium experiences.
ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ์ ์์์๋ segmentation์ด ๋ง์ฃ . ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ์ ๊ทผํ์๋์?
Within the premium, there's always a lot of segmentation that goes on, thinking about that in different ways.
๋ค๋ฅธ ์ธ๊ทธ๋จผํธ, ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ํ๋ ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ์๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ์ friction์ ์์ ๊ณ ์ํ๋ ๊ฒฝํ์ ์ฝ๊ฒ ๊ฐ๋๋ก ํ๋ ๊ฒ. ์๋๋ฐญ์์ ์ ๋ ดํ ํ ์์ผ ๋ฐค์ ๋ณด๋ด๊ณ ์ถ์ ์ ์ ์ปคํ โ ๊ทธ๊ฒ ์ต์ ์ด์ด์ผ ํ๊ณ , ๊ฒฐํผ๊ธฐ๋ ์ผ์ ์๋ด๋ฅผ ์ํด ํฐ๋ ์ฐ๊ณ ์ถ์ ์ฌ๋ โ ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ ๊ฐ๋ฅํด์ผ ํด์.
์ญ์ฌ์ ์ผ๋ก ์์ ์ฐ์ ์ segment๋ฅผ ์ ํ์ด์. ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ํ๋ ค๋ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๋ ๋ง์ ์ฌ๋์ ๋์ด๋ค์ด๊ณ , ์ํฐ์คํธ์๊ฒ ๋ ์ค ์ ์๊ณ , ๋ ๋ง์ ์ด๋ฒคํธ๋ฅผ ์ด ์ ์์ด์. ์ ์ฒด ์ฐ์ output ํ์ฅ์ด๋ผ๋ ์์ผ๋ก ์ฑ๊ณตํด์์ด์.
Our job is to figure out how to eliminate friction... Historically, the music industry hasn't segmented, hasn't given those opportunities. We're trying to do that so that we can attract more people... generally expands output in the industry.
๋ฏธ๋ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋ค์๊ฐ international์์ ์จ๋ค๊ณ ์์ฃผ ๋ง์ํ์๋๋ฐ, Europe/LatAm/APAC ํฌ์ง์ ๊ณผ ์๋์ ๊ธฐํ๋?
You've noted frequently that you see the majority of Live Nation's future growth is coming from international. Can you spend a moment talking to the company's current position in Europe, LatAm, and APAC?
๋ฏธ๊ตญ๊ณผ ์๊ตญ์ด ์ฝ์ํธ ์นจํฌ์จ ์ต๊ณ ์์ฅ์ด์์. ๋๋จธ์ง ์์ฅ โ ์ฌ์ง์ด ์์ ๋ฝ์กฐ์ฐจ โ ์นจํฌ์จ์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ/์๊ตญ ๋๋น 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 ์์ค์ด์์. ์ฆ 2๋ฐฐ, 3๋ฐฐ, 4๋ฐฐ ์ฑ์ฅ ์ฌ์ง.
๋ผํด์๋ฉ๋ฆฌ์นด โ OCESA๋ฅผ beachhead๋ก ์ง๋ 5~6๋ ์์ฒญ๋ ํ์ฅ. ๊ทธ๋๋ surface๋ง ๊ธ์์ด์. ๊ฑฐ๋ํ ์ธ๊ตฌ, ์์ ์งํฅ์ ๋ฌธํ. ๊ฑฐ๋ํ ์ฑ์ฅ ๊ฐ๋ฅ์ฑ.
์์์ โ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ธฐ์ค์ผ๋ก ๋๋์ฑ underpenetrated. ์ผ๋ณธ์์ HIP ์ธ์, Kaori ์์ ์ผ๋ก ์ง์ . ๋งค์ฐ focused. ์ผ๋ณธ์ ํจ์ฌ ๋ง์ ํ๋ ๋ค์ด๊ฐ ๊ฑฐ์์. ์์ ๋ฝ๋ matureํ๋ค๊ณ ๋ค ํ์ง๋ง, US๊ฐ 10๋ ๊ฐ hyperlocal๋ก ์ฑ์ฅํ ๊ฒ์ฒ๋ผ โ ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ same opportunity๋ฅผ Europe์์ ๋ณด๊ณ ์๊ณ , ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ผ๋ก ์ถ์ง ์ค.
2x, 3x, 4x growth that you can still get in those markets... tremendous expansion in Latin America over the past 5 or 6 years using OCESA as our beachhead... brought in Kaori with the HIP acquisition. We're very focused now... you'll see a lot more activity being driven into Japan.
Venue Nation์ international TAM์์? ์์ ์์๊ฐ ์ง์ง ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด, ์ผ์ ์ธ๊ตฌ ์ด์ ๋์ ์ค viable venue๊ฐ ์๋ ๊ณณ์ ๋ค ํ์ฅ ํ๋ณด์ธ๊ฐ์?
With Venue Nation, how do you think about the international TAM? Does that mean any city above a certain population and lacking a viable venue is reasonable for you to expand to?
100% ๊ทธ๋ ์ต๋๋ค. ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์๊ฐ๋ฒ โ ์ฒซ์งธ, ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ธ ์์ 75๊ฐ ๋์ ์ค 47๊ฐ๊ฐ modern arena ๋ถ์ฌ ๋๋ underpenetrated. ๊ฑฐ๋ ์์ฅ์ด arena ํ๋ ๊ฐ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง ์ฌ๋ ฅ์ด ์๋ ๊ณณ๋ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒ starting opportunity. 75๊ฐ๋ ์์์ด๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฐ top 200๊น์ง ๋ณด๊ณ ์์ด์. ๊ทธ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์ฅ ํฐ, ๊ฐ์ฅ ์ฌ์ด ์์ฅ๋ค โ fan base ๋ณด์ฅ.
๋์งธ, ๋ฉ์์ฝ ์ฌ๋ก. ์๋ stadium 30์ฌ dates์ ๋ฉ์์ฝ์์ ํ๋๋ฐ, 10๊ฐ ๋์์์. OCESA ์น๊ตฌ๋ค๋ "์ฐ๋ฆฐ ๋ฉ์์ฝ์ํฐ๋ง์ด ์๋์๊ตฌ๋, 9๊ฐ ๋์ ๋ ์๊ตฌ๋" ๊นจ๋ฌ์. ๊ณผ๋ฌ๋ผํ๋ผ์ ์ venue ์ง๋ ์ค์ด๊ณ ์.
5~6๋ ์ ๋ต ๊ธฐ๊ฐ์ผ๋ก ๋ณด๋ฉด, venue ์ ๋ต ๊ฐ์ํ์ง๋ง "5๋ ํ์๋ ๊ฐ์ ์๋ฆฌ์์ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ TAM ์๊ธฐํ ๊ฒ". ๋ค๋ง pipeline ํ๋ฉด์ ๋ smartํด์ง ๊ฑฐ์์.
47 out of those 75 are either lacking an arena of any kind of modern form or underpenetrated... We probably go to the top couple of hundred... we ended up doing stadium shows in 10 cities. We just putting a venue into Guadalajara.
venue ๋ฆฌ๋ ธ๋ฒ ์ด์ ์์ ํฐ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ๊ฑฐ๋์ จ๋๋ฐ, Estadio GNP ๊ฐ์ ๊ณณ์ ํ๋ ์ด๋ถ ์ค๋ช ๋ถํํด์. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๊ฐ ์ง์ญ์์ ๋ถ๋์ฐ owner, ์คํฌ์ธ ํ๊ณผ์ ํํธ๋์ญ ์ฌ์ง๋?
It'd be great if you could spend a moment describing a location like Estadio GNP, run through the playbook there... how much room is there to partner with existing real estate owners or sports teams?
Estadio GNP, ์ ๋ง world-class. ์ธ๊ณ ์ต๊ณ ์์ venue. ์๋ ์ฝ 300๋ง ๋ช ๊ด๊ฐ. ๋ฆฌ๋ ธ๋ฒ ์ด์ ์ ๋ ๊ฐ์ง์์ ์์ด์ โ premium๊ณผ sponsorship. premium ๊ฒฝํ์ substantially ๋๋ฆฌ๊ณ , sponsorship์ ํ์ฑํ. 2๋ ๋ด ROI ํ์.
๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ ์คํฌ์ธ ํ๋ค โ ์๊ธฐ stadium/arena ์ฃผ๋ณ์ entertainment district ๋ง๋ค๊ณ ์ถ์ดํด์. ๊ทธ๋ค์ด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๊ฒ ์ค๋ ์ด์ ๋ ์๋ณธ์ด ํ์ํด์๊ฐ ์๋์์. ๊ทธ๋ค์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ ๋ถ์ ํ ์ฌ๋๋ค. ์ํ๋ ๊ฑด ์ฝ์ํธ ํ๋ฆ. venue๋ฅผ ์ง๋ ๋ฒ์ ์๋ ํํธ๋ โ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ design/development team. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฝ์ํธ deliverํ ์ ์๋ ํธ๋ ๋ ์ฝ๋.
๋ฏธ๊ตญ owner ๋ชจ๋์ ๋ํ ์ค์ด๊ณ ์. International์์ Atlรฉtico Madrid์ฒ๋ผ โ stadium ๊ฐ์ง ๊ณณ๊ณผ ํํธ๋์ญ, ์๋ ๋๋ ์ง๊ณ , land ๊ฐ๊ณ , local ๊ด๊ณ, ๋น ๋ฅธ permitting. "์ฐ๋ฆฐ music arena๊ฐ ์ด๋์ผ ํ๋์ง ์๋ค" โ ๋น์ฐํ ๋ฏ ๋ค๋ฆฌ์ง๋ง ์ค์ ๋ก rare skill์ด์์.
Estadio GNP... it is the highest attended music venue in the world. Something like 3 million fans... renovation came down primarily to premium and sponsorship... fast return on that... they don't come to us because they need capital. These are some of the richest people in the country. But what they want is they want to have a flow of concerts.
venue pipeline ์ฑ์ฐ๋ ์๋๋ฅผ ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๋ ๊ฒ ๋ญ๊ฐ์? financing, ๊ฑด์ค ์ง์ฐ, execution risk ๊ฐ์ gating factor๋ฅผ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด์ธ์?
What ultimately governs the pace at which you fill the pipeline? How do you think about the gating factors like financing, construction delays, or just execution risk?
์ ๊ธฐ์ ์ธ capability ์ฑ์ฅ์ด์์. ํ์ฌ 20์ฌ venue๊ฐ ๊ฑด์ค ์ค ๋๋ fully-permitted. ๊ทธ์ค 10๊ฐ๊ฐ large arena/amphitheater๊ธ.
ํ์ฌ US, LatAm, Asia, Europe์ dev team ์์ด์. ๊ฐ ํ์ด ramp upํ๋ฉด์ incrementalํ๊ฒ ๋ take on. 1๋ ์ 10๊ฐ ๋๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ ์๋๋ผ, ๋งค๋ ๋ช ๊ฐ์ฉ ์ถ๊ฐ. ์ฐ๋ฆฐ most project๋ฅผ reject โ ๋์ ๊ฒฝ์ ์ return threshold ์ ์ง. M&A๋ก ๊ฐ์ํ๊ธฐ๋ ํ๊ณ ์. LatAm์์ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ/์ ๋ฝ/์บ๋๋ค๋ณด๋ค ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ์ง์ ์ ์์ด์. ramp up์ฒ๋ผ layerํด์ ๊ฐ๋ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
20-odd venues right now, either in construction or fully permitted... about 10 of them would be at the large arena, amphitheater arena level... We say no to most projects, right? Because we have a pretty high threshold of economic return... incrementally take on more... add a few a year.
๊ตญ์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด majority๋ผ๊ณ ํ์ จ๋๋ฐ, ticketing๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๊ฒ ์ฃ . ๋ธ๋ผ์ง, ์ผ๋ณธ ๊ฐ์ ๊ณณ โ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์กด์ฌ๋ ์๋๋ฐ Ticketmaster๋ ์์ง nascent. ๊ธฐํ๋ ์ผ๋ง๋ ํฐ๊ฐ์?
In some regions like Brazil or Japan, where you've built a physical presence, Ticketmaster is still pretty nascent. So how big is the opportunity to establish more robust ticketing operations in these markets?
์์ฒญ๋ ๊ธฐํ์์. ๋ ์ผ์์ ์ฑ๊ณตํ ํ๋ ์ด๋ถ์ ๊ทธ๋๋ก โ promoter ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ๋จผ์ , ๊ทธ ์์ sponsorship, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ์ฝ์ํธ ๊ฐ์ธ๋ก ticketing ๋น์ฆ๋์ค. LatAm์ ๋งค์ฐ fragmented. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ major player๋ก ์ง์ ํ ๊ธฐํ. ์ฝ์ํธ์ ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ ๊ฐ์ธ leverage.
์์์๋ ๋ง์ฐฌ๊ฐ์ง๋ก ๋งค์ฐ fragmented. ์ผ๋ณธ โ "๋จธ์ง์์ ticketing ์์" ๋ช ์. presale๋ก ๋น์ฆ๋์ค establishํ๊ณ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์ ๋น๋์์. ํฅํ ๋ช ๋ ๊ฐ Ticketmaster ๊ธฐํ โ ์ ํํ ๋ ๊ณณ: LatAm๊ณผ Asia.
It's a massive opportunity... we'll follow the same playbook that we followed in Germany... Latin America is very fragmented. We think there's the opportunity for us to come in and be a major player on the ticketing side... we expect to be able to be in Japan before long doing ticketing... Latin America and Asia.
2025๋ ๋ง ์ TM President ๋ถ์. product ๋ฐฑ๊ทธ๋ผ์ด๋. international ์ธ์ ์ฐ์ ์์๋?
You've had a new Ticketmaster president in place since late 2025. I think he brings more of a product background to the role... what else would you highlight about where his priorities are?
๋ง์์, ๊ธฐ์ ๊ณผ product ๋ฐฑ๊ทธ๋ผ์ด๋๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง ์ฌ๋. product์ obsess. ์ฐ์ ์์ 1๋ฒ์ fan experience ๊ฐ์ . ๊ณ ์์ on-sale ์ฒ๋ฆฌ, ๋ด๊ณผ์ ์ ์ โ ๋ด์ด ์๋ fan์๊ฒ ๋ชจ๋ ๊ฐ๋ฅํ ํฐ์ผ์ด ๊ฐ๋๋ก. ๋์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ค์์ผ๋ ๋ถ์ ํ์ ์ธ์ผํฐ๋ธ๊ฐ ํฌ๊ณ , ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ๋ก ๋ ๋ง์ tool์ ๋กค์์ ์ค.
venue, ์คํฌ์ธ ํ, ์ํฐ์คํธ์ฉ ์ tool ๊ณ์ ๊ฐ๋ฐ. product mindset์ผ๋ก ๋ชจ๋ stakeholder์ pain point ๋ฌป๊ณ ๋ค๋. ํ๋ซํผ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ โ ์ ์์ฅ deploy๊ฐ ํจ์ฌ ๋นจ๋ผ์ง. ์ผ๋ณธ ์์ ์ "3๋ ๊ณํ ์๊ธฐํ์"์๋๋ฐ, ์ ์ President๋ "1๋ ์ด๋ค. ์ฐ๋ง๊น์ง ํฐ์ผ ํ๋ค. ์๋ฒฝํ์ง ์์๋ ์ข๋ค. ํ์ ์ ์ด์ด๋ ์ข๋ค. 1๋ ์์ ํ๋ค". ์ญ์ฌ์ ์ ๊ทผ๋ฒ ๊นจ๊ณ ์์ด์.
์กฐ์ง ๋ณํ๋ ์งํ ์ค โ streamline, product ๊ฐ๋ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ ๋ณ๊ฒฝ, AI tool๋ก historical barrier ๋ฌด๋๋จ๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ. ์์ผ๋ก ํจ์ฌ ๋น ๋ฅธ ์๋ ๋ณด์ค ๊ฑฐ์์.
Number one is continuing to improve the fan experience... how do you continue to fight bots?... He's obviously been making some changes organizationally. He's streamlining. He's changing the way in which product development occurs using a lot of AI tools to help break down some of those historical barriers... Japan would be, let's talk about our 3-year plan to get there. And he said, no, we have 1 year.
์ด๋์์ 4์๊น์ง fee-bearing ํฐ์ผ +9%, GTV +15% ๊ณต์. ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ + ์ฝ์ํธ/ํจ๋ฐ๋ฆฌ/์คํฌ์ธ ๋ฏน์ค color ์๋์?
You highlighted fee-bearing tickets transacted through April, up 9%, GTV up 15%. Any update here and any associated color on concerts, family, and sports within that mix?
๋งค์ฃผ ์ ๋ฐ์ดํธ๋ ์์ ํ ๊ฒ์. ๋ค๋ง โ ์ฝ์ํธ๊ฐ ํฅํ๋ฉด ticketing๋ ํฅํด์. ticketing ์ฑ์ฅ์ ๋ ๋๋ผ์ด๋ฒ: ์ ๊ท client + ์ฝ์ํธ ๋ณผ๋ฅจ. ์คํฌ์ธ ๋ tournament๋ก ์ฝ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ, ๋ฆฌ๊ทธ ํ์ฅ์ผ๋ก ์ฝ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ, ํ์ง๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ผ๋ก ๊ฒ์ ์๊ฐ ํฌ๊ฒ ๋ณํ์ง ์์์.
๋๋ค์ ์ฑ์ฅ์ด ์ฝ์ํธ์์. ์คํฌ์ธ ๋ ์ ๊ท client ์ถ๊ฐ๊ฐ ํต์ฌ. ์ฌํด ์ถ๋ฐ ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐํ ์ด์ ๋ ์ฝ์ํธ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค ์ถ๋ฐ์ด ๋งค์ฐ ๊ฐํด์. recognition์ด ์ฝ๊ฐ ๋ณต์กํด์ง๊ธด ํ์ด์ โ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ด์ํ๋ venue ํฐ์ผ์ recognition์ deferํ๊ธฐ ๋๋ฌธ. ๋ ๋ง์ venue ์ด์ํ ์๋ก ๋ณต์กํด์ง์ง๋ง deferred revenue์์ ๋ณด์ผ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๋ชจ๋ธ๋งํ์๋ ๋ถ๋ค๊ป๋ โ ๊ทธ์ ์์ต ์ธ์ timing ์ด์์ ๋๋ค.
As goes concerts, so goes tickets... your sports volume can grow a bit based on tournaments... vast majority of growth comes from concerts... a little more complicated on some of their recognition because they defer the recognition of tickets and venues that we operate... timing of when that profitability gets recognized.
Q1 ticketing AOI +1%. ์ผํ์ฑ ์ํฅ โ secondary ๋ณํ, FTC ์์ก ๋น์ฉ. underlying growth์ ์ฐ์ค ํ๋ ค๋๊ฐ ๋ฐฉํฅ?
Ticketing AOI was up 1% in Q1. There were some bespoke items that are impacting results, changes in the secondary market, legal expenses related to the FTC case. Help us better understand the underlying growth.
ํ๋ ๋น ๋จ๋ฆฌ์ จ์ด์ โ ๋ํผ๋ ๋ ๋ธ high-20s ์ฑ์ฅ, $5B+ GTV ๋ํ. ๊ทธ๋ฌ๋ underlying์ ๋ง์๋ณด๋ค ๋ robustํด์.
์ฌํด Ticketmaster ๊ฐํ ํด ๋ ๊ฑฐ์์. ์ฝ์ํธ ๊ฐํด์์. ์ผํ์ฑ headwind ๋ช ๊ฐ โ secondary ๋น์ฆ๋์ค tightening ๋ณํ, reorg severance, ์ผ๋ถ legal issue. ํ๋๋ฉํธ๋ก๋ Ticketmaster ๋น์ฆ๋์ค๊ฐ history์ best shape. premier global product. ๋งค์ฐ ๋์ renewal rate, ์ ๊ท client ์ถ๊ฐ ์๋. 5๋ plan์์ base case๋ก ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ ํ์ฅํ๋ฉฐ mid-single-digit growth ์ด์ ์ ์ง ์์.
You left out our high-20s growth in deferred revenue representing over $5 billion of GTV... underlying is even more robust... a few onetime headwinds, changes that we made in the secondary business to tighten that down, some of the reorganizational things that have severance, a few legal issues. But fundamentally, I think the Ticketmaster business is in the best shape it's ever been in.
Russell Wallachํ์ด sponsorship์ Q&A ๋์ ๋ฃ์ ์ ๋๋ก ์ ๊ตด๋ฆฌ๋ ๊ฒ credit์ธ๋ฐ โ international + Venue Nation ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ฑ์ฅ ๋๋ผ์ด๋ฒ๊ฐ ๋ฐ๋๋์?
Tying this back to international and Venue Nation, does that change the growth drivers of sponsorship relative to the past? And are there adjustments that need to be made on your part?
๋ง์์, ์ธ์์์ ๊ฐ์ฅ boringํ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค์ฃ โ 5์์ ์์์ "์ฌํด 85~90% ํ๋ ธ๋ค, ๊ฑฑ์ ๋ง๋ผ" ํ ์ ์์ผ๋๊น. Russell๊ณผ ํ์ด ๋งค๋ ๋๋ธ๋์งํธ ์ฑ์ฅ deliver. ํฅํ 5๋ ๊ฐ ์ฑ์ฅ์์ฒ evolution ๋ถ๋ช ์์ ๊ฑฐ์์. ํ์คํฐ๋ฒ, checkout, ์ ์ฉ์นด๋์ฌ, presale tech firm โ ๊ฑฐ๋ ๋ธ๋๋๋ค๊ณผ foundation์ ๊น์๋จ๊ณ ์.
์ด์ venue์ focusํ๋ฉด์ sponsorship ๋ชจ๋คํ์ด์ฆ โ ํฅํ 5๋ ์ฑ์ฅ ๋ค์๊ฐ venue ํ์ฅ์์. naming rights๋ถํฐ club, venue ๊ณณ๊ณณ๊น์ง sponsorable asset์ด ๋ง๊ณ , premium ๊ฒฝํ๊ณผ ์ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ผ์ ์ํธ ๊ฐํ. LatAm, Europe โ venue ์ชฝ์์ ๋ง์ด ์ฌ ๊ฑฐ์์. Estadio GNP๊ฐ ์ข์ ์ โ Foro Sol(๊ตฌ) โ ๋ฉ์์ฝ์ํฐ์ foundational piece.
It's the most boring business in the world when I sit here in May and say, "Hey, we're 85% to 90% sold for the year"... a lot of our growth in the next 5 years will come from the venue expansion because there are so many sponsorable assets from the naming rights to the clubs.
DOJ ํฉ์ โ term sheet์ ๋น๋ ์ ๊ณ์ฝ, Ticketmaster๊ฐ venue์ ๋ฐฑ์๋ ์์คํ ์ ๊ณต ๋ฑ์ ์ ์์ฅ ๋ค์ด๋ด๋ฏน. ์ ์ฌ์ ์ํฅ์? ์๋น์ ์ ์ฅ์์ ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๋ณด์ผ๊น์?
There are some potentially new market dynamics around nonexclusive contracts, Ticketmaster offering venues a back-end system. So can you speak to the potential impact from the changes here? And what would that look like from a consumer?
DOJ์ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๋ "์ Ticketmaster๊ฐ ์ฑ๊ณตํ๋"์ ๋ํ fundamentalํ๊ฒ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๊ด์ ์ ๊ฐ์ก์ด์. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด์ : best ticketing platform์ด๊ณ , venue๊ฐ exclusivity ์ํด์ โ single provider์ ๋จ์ํจ, ํนํ ๊ทธ single์ด best์ธ ๊ฒฝ์ฐ. DOJ ๊ด์ : exclusive ๊ณ์ฝ์ด ๊ฒฝ์์ ์ฐจ๋จํด unfair. ๊ทธ๋์ "์์ฅ์ด ๊ฒฐ์ ํ๊ฒ ๋์" ํฉ์.
exclusivity ์ํ, non-exclusivity ํ์ฉ. ๊ธฐ์ ์ธก๋ฉด์์ super easy โ ๋ค๋ฅธ ticketing provider๊ฐ ํฐ์ผ ๋ฐฐํฌํ๋ฉด ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฑ์๋๋ก validate. ๋๊ฐ ๋ง๋์ง ์๊ฒ ๋ ๊ฑฐ์์. ์ฐ๋ฆฐ ์ฌ์ ํ ๋๋ถ๋ถ venue๊ฐ exclusivity๋ฅผ ์ํ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ๊ทธ exclusivity๊ฐ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์์ด๊ธธ ์ํ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ ๋ฏฟ์ด์. ๋ค๋ฅธ ์ฌ๋๋ค์ด ๋ง๋ค๋ฉด โ ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋ ์๊ฒ ๋๊ฒ ์ฃ .
ํต์ฌ focus: best product ๋ง๋ค๊ธฐ. ๊ธ๋ก๋ฒ๋ก ๊ทธ๋ ๊ฒ๋ง ํ๋ฉด ํจ๊ณผ์ . ์ผ๋ฐ ์ด๋ฒคํธ์ 20~30%๊ฐ ๋ฏธํ๋งค. ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ ๊ฒฝ ์ฐ๋ ๊ฑด ์ด๋ป๊ฒ ๊ทธ ๋ฏธํ๋งค ํฐ์ผ์ ๋ ํ๊น. ๋ช๋ช venue๊ฐ ์ผ๋ถ ํฐ์ผ์ ๋ค๋ฅธ primary marketplace๋ก ๋ณด๋ด๊ธฐ๋ก ํด๋, ๊ทธ๊ฒ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ฑ๊ณต์ ๊ฒฐ์ ์์ธ ์๋์์.
Our view has been, well, it's the best ticketing platform... venues want exclusivity. They want to deal with the simplicity of a single provider... we will relax that exclusivity. We'll push to have some nonexclusivity... if another ticketing provider is distributing tickets, we'll validate those tickets... we continue to believe that most venues are going to want exclusivity, and they're going to want that exclusivity to be with us... You continue to have 20% to 30% of tickets unsold on a typical event.
์์ฒด(O&O) ์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ ์ผ๋ถ๋ฅผ ๋ค๋ฅธ promoter์๊ฒ ๊ฐ๋ฐฉํ๊ธฐ๋ก ํ์ฃ . ๊ทธ promoter๋ค์ 50%๊น์ง ์ธ๋ถ ticketing vendor ์ธ ์ ์๊ณ . 2027๋ ์ด๋ฒคํธ์ด๊ธด ํ๋ฐ โ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ ํ์ฉ๋์ ์ด๋ค ์ํฅ?
With regards to certain O&O Amps, you've agreed to open those up to other promoters. Those promoters can in turn utilize outside ticket vendors up to 50% of the inventory. This is more of a 2027 event. But how could this potentially impact the utilization of your buildings?
์ข์ ์์ โ Jordan๊ณผ ํ์ด ์ง๋ 10๋ ๊ฐ per-cap ๋์ด์ฌ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒ ์์ฒญ๋์. $16 per-cap vs $46 per-cap์ ์์ ํ ๋ค๋ฅธ ๋น์ฆ๋์ค. ์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ ๊ฒฝ์ ํ์ ํฐ ๋ถ๋ถ์ด ์ด์ venue ์ด์์์ ์์.
venue ๊ฐ๋ฐฉํด์ 3rd party promoter ๋ค์ด์ค๋ฉด โ ์ฝ์ํธ ์ฌ์ด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ ์ผ ์๋ ์ฝ๊ฐ ์ค๊ฒ ์ง๋ง, ์ฐํผ์์ดํฐ ์ด์์๋ incrementalํ๊ฒ ํฐ ์ด์ต. ์์ ์๊ฒ โ ๊ฐ๋ฐฉ์ด makes sense. ์์ ์๋ ๊ณ ๋ ค ์ค์ด์๋๋ฐ legal morass์ ๊ฐํ์ ๊น์ด ๋ชป ๋ค์ด๊ฐ์ด์. settlement์ ์ผ๋ถ๋ก ๊ฒฐ์ ํ ๊ฑฐ๊ณ , ์ฐ์ ์๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๋ fine.
$16 per cap different it is very different than when you're in your $46 per cap business... opening the venues and having third-party promoters will may reduce a bit the number of shows that we do on the concert side, but it will obviously directly benefit our amphitheater operations where we'll make a lot of money on an incremental basis... we're comfortable that it makes sense for the industry, and it will be fine for us.